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    I find it strange that you describe Ni as being blind...I think of it as being a clairvoyant function...very much so. I also don't think it has misled me often. I trust it a lot, though admittedly it's hard to determine where Ni stops and Te begins. I'm not so sure about Ni and comparing stuff to an ideal view either...my Ni says it's not right. :p It's extremely hard to explain the function, I've found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    I find it strange that you describe Ni as being blind...I think of it as being a clairvoyant function...very much so. I also don't think it has misled me often. I trust it a lot, though admittedly it's hard to determine where Ni stops and Te begins. I'm not so sure about Ni and comparing stuff to an ideal view either...my Ni says it's not right. :p It's extremely hard to explain the function, I've found.

    Hello, sriv.
    My Ni says it's right... Lol.

    Ni is a blind seer. Even though it may be clairvoyant, it's still blind, and on top of that, it's relatively helpless. A blind seer is useless unless there's anyone to listen (Te).

    In subjective matters, I've found that Ni often leads me 'astray' as in that it gives me things that don't go along with the rest of the group, and keeps screaming about it and has led me through a lot of pain and misery of being bent back into the form of the rest of the group. It may not have been 'wrong,' per se, but it can cause a lot of grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    My Ni says it's right... Lol.

    Ni is a blind seer. Even though it may be clairvoyant, it's still blind, and on top of that, it's relatively helpless. A blind seer is useless unless there's anyone to listen (Te).

    In subjective matters, I've found that Ni often leads me 'astray' as in that it gives me things that don't go along with the rest of the group, and keeps screaming about it and has led me through a lot of pain and misery of being bent back into the form of the rest of the group. It may not have been 'wrong,' per se, but it can cause a lot of grief.
    Agreed. Not only does Ni in itself lack adequate means of expression, it also doesn't make sense to place too much trust in it. The way Ni works is often things like recognizing expected patterns so as to match our intentions or preconceptions. It can be an awesome time saver, because we're able to hold an independent intent and hone in on the relevant areas really quickly... but it also just strikes me as a bit dubious/untrustworthy, and in need of a very serious and in-depth analysis so as to properly frame it, or to take it with a grain of salt when necessary. Often times Ni can sort of exaggerate or underplay things according to intent, and often times some adjustment may be necessary after the initial realization.

    Ni also isn't exceptionally useful in all fields of life. It tends to deal with essences and idealistic circumstances. Good for generalizing or theoretical observations. Not so good at a closer or more detailed level.

    And Ni is just too difficult to substantiate with reasoning, sometimes. It's like, I know there is some profound relationship between some subjective symbols I have inside me, but they can seem almost so mysterious or profound, that I'm lucky to even be able to verbally understand it. Like it aspires to some weird essence of consciousness and experience that borders on the edge of the human mind, and is so far out there, and lacking in adequate vocabulary. It really trips me out.

    I really identify with the "astray", thing, too. It sounds ridiculous when I say it... but I'll so often become preoccupied with weird or entirely irrelevant internal things. I so throughly manage to absorb myself in it, and I end up completely neglecting anything that isn't of my own inner-world. I allow it to alienate me from other people so often. I'd say it's the main means by which I self-alienate.

    It's often things like dreams, hypnogogic images, visualizations, or images and symbols in general. Oftentimes it has a very mystical vibe... like I see some image or scene in my dream, and it literally touches me so much I'm haunted by the images long afterwards. There's just subjective meaning pouring from every seam, and the scenes themselves are like poetry... and it all seems deeply philosophical and symbolic, and I'll relate to it the nature of existentialism or human experience and suffering and joy and other weird transcendent things, like where the spirit goes after the body dies, what death may be like, and how life itself is all one giant dream, and each one of us is alone in our own universe.

    But yeah, I find I get involved in numinous and personal things of this nature, to such an extent... that it's literally what I want to do with me life. Like spiritual/internal journeying type stuff. The world within us is so ridiculously deep. If I was going to plumb any depths, it would be those closest to me. Coincidentally, it also tends to be that in which I find the most fascination

    So, yeah, INTJ's are definitely very subjective. At least this one is. I base like everything about me off of it, sometimes I trust it way too much. Or I look to it to feed some deep, individual, and philosophical yearning and I get really weird and isolated/introverted. I'll stop socializing, spend most of my time alone, forget about friendships, and preoccupy myself with gazing into the void within myself. Most of my faults tend to stem from this. Most of my joys and deepest motivations also seem to stem from this. I've incorporated it quite deeply into my view of the world. If anything, I'm most prone to trying to "lose myself" via an aspiring of the spirit. Say, in the nature and meaning of beauty and experience.

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    I write. Writing is usually a futile attempt of mine to put thoughts into a form that makes sense. It usually doesn't work.

    I have to figure out exactly what I say long before I actually say it because the form in which ideas come cannot be understood. Everything needs a good refining before it goes onto paper (or the web, for that matter). I end up using a lot of cliches and metaphors in speech to get my point across, as devices to make ideas understood. People have complained to me about this... Explanations immediately become anthropomorphized to some extent.

    If this isn't some evidence of Ni, I don't know what is.

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    Mwell, I don't seem to place as much of a beware-sign next to my Ni as you guys seem to do. It generates some really amazing insights for me...I'm sometimes surprised at the stuff I come up with...then again, it is extremely useful for me since I mostly analyse literature these days...I guess it's different in everyday life, but even there it helps me out substantially. I agree on the mystical part...I've always thought it was kind of strange that INTJs were so heavily associated with exact (applied) sciences.

    And what about grasping difficult stuff? I find that it helps me with that as well...even when I can't explain it, I often just intuitively "know" what they mean. Like the connections are there and just have to be activated by Te or something.

    Also...don't you find that you can have some kind of child-like vibe going on sometimes? There's a weird kind of aura of pureness and child-like enthusiasm about INTJs I think, especially when they are working on something and they get insight after insight and it all seems to come together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    Mwell, I don't seem to place as much of a beware-sign next to my Ni as you guys seem to do. It generates some really amazing insights for me...I'm sometimes surprised at the stuff I come up with...then again, it is extremely useful for me since I mostly analyse literature these days...I guess it's different in everyday life, but even there it helps me out substantially. I agree on the mystical part...I've always thought it was kind of strange that INTJs were so heavily associated with exact (applied) sciences.

    And what about grasping difficult stuff? I find that it helps me with that as well...even when I can't explain it, I often just intuitively "know" what they mean. Like the connections are there and just have to be activated by Te or something.

    Also...don't you find that you can have some kind of child-like vibe going on sometimes? There's a weird kind of aura of pureness and child-like enthusiasm about INTJs I think, especially when they are working on something and they get insight after insight and it all seems to come together.
    INTJs are endorphin junkies and amazing insights into new things create a buzz.

    INTJs have to be subjective, if you are too prescriptive you cannot manage large amounts of data, as monitoring each interconnection is exponentially more difficult. INTJs effectively compact data into analogies and symbols as a way of being like cogs in a mechanised machine that can move at a faster rate.

    Its the curiosity that makes us not get chronically bogged down in the minor details.

    I think theres also brain connection involved as well. Not all brains are the same, just as all hair coloring is not the same. Prehaps its just the first signs of a rift...as we diverge into different species..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    Mwell, I don't seem to place as much of a beware-sign next to my Ni as you guys seem to do. It generates some really amazing insights for me...I'm sometimes surprised at the stuff I come up with...then again, it is extremely useful for me since I mostly analyse literature these days...I guess it's different in everyday life, but even there it helps me out substantially. I agree on the mystical part...I've always thought it was kind of strange that INTJs were so heavily associated with exact (applied) sciences.

    And what about grasping difficult stuff? I find that it helps me with that as well...even when I can't explain it, I often just intuitively "know" what they mean. Like the connections are there and just have to be activated by Te or something.

    Also...don't you find that you can have some kind of child-like vibe going on sometimes? There's a weird kind of aura of pureness and child-like enthusiasm about INTJs I think, especially when they are working on something and they get insight after insight and it all seems to come together.
    I'm very childlike. ^_^

    I personally trust Ni but a lot of people don't, so I have to backtrack and back everything up. It's a pain in the ass.

    About INTJs in applied sciences -- it makes more sense to me for them to be in law. Law gives very exact parameters (that Te likes) and gives Ni enough room for creative interpretation of circumstances. Fi would strive to keep the INTJ happy with his moral purity while still allowing him to do his work. INTJs also seem like they'd have enough patience with the legal system, unlike our kindred INFJs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    About INTJs in applied sciences -- it makes more sense to me for them to be in law. Law gives very exact parameters (that Te likes) and gives Ni enough room for creative interpretation of circumstances. Fi would strive to keep the INTJ happy with his moral purity while still allowing him to do his work. INTJs also seem like they'd have enough patience with the legal system, unlike our kindred INFJs.
    Only problem with law is that universities put too much emphasis on written language. Hence, the more technical INTJ's go for more mathematical areas...computer science, sciences, finance and so forth.

    I absolutely excelled in the Harvard case studies for business.... I think they are designed for INTJs and we can see the hidden insights. Its like a game. Think big and think small.... and comprehend the unstructured with partial information to create the coherent best strategy/solution...

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