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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryWhoremoans View Post
    I feel ENTPs seem more extroverted than ENTJs... It's just what I have observed, obviously this is from my personal perspective. I don't know the fact.

    I've noticed that too. I think the dominant Ne makes ENTPs appear more talkative than ENTJs who have dominant Te and its the talkativeness that's making ENTPs appear more extraverted. Ne rambles on and on more while Te is more straight to the point, getting rid of extraneous stuff. So ENTJ doesn't appear as talkative.

    Also the tertiary functions might have some effect. ENTP has tertiary Fe which is useful for connecting emotionally with other people. ENTJ has tertiary Se which is more about action and let's just do it. So again, ENTP has a tertiary function that makes them appear more sociable, which may make them appear more extraverted.

    Of course there are lots of ENTPs who claim to be near the border on E/I and ENTJs who are strong Es. But ENTPs appear more hyper when they are extraverting while ENTJs appear more calm and measured.
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    ENTP:

    - eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

    - Had to learn/work to be organized.

    - very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

    - clumsy

    - has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

    - more artistic/musical inclination


    ENTJ:

    - charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes

    - naturally organized from birth, effortlessly

    - sharp memory for anything

    - very athletic and coordinated, naturally

    - will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.

    - strictly a number-crunching/accounting person
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    ENTP:

    - eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

    - Had to learn/work to be organized.

    - very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

    - clumsy

    - has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    ENTP:
    - eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.
    - Had to learn/work to be organized.
    - very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.
    - clumsy
    - has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.
    - more artistic/musical inclination


    ENTJ:
    - charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes
    - naturally organized from birth, effortlessly
    - sharp memory for anything
    - very athletic and coordinated, naturally
    - will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.
    - strictly a number-crunching/accounting person
    LOL, these are exactly the differences between me and my ENTJ sibling, except for those last two. She definitely knows how to have a good time when she is done with her work, and would never have the patience for the number-crunching as a career. Nope, law school all the way for her..... while I try to decide between 5484732 career paths that I have happened to find interesting while getting distracted by all sorts of weird stuff on the internet

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryWhoremoans View Post
    I feel ENTPs seem more extroverted than ENTJs... It's just what I have observed, obviously this is from my personal perspective. I don't know the fact.
    Yeeeahnaaa.

    It's not that simple, we're just different in how we "extrovert", as an ENTP with an ENTJ brother I see a lot of similarities but he has a harsher more driven towards success edge while I have a more laid back want success but get distracted along the path to getting it edge.

    Neither of us would be, or even want to be, the centre of attention at a loud house party (kay put some vodka in him and all bets are off, kay in either of us), his extroversion shows in Te, he is not at all shy about being forward or assertive, my extroversion shows more in wanting to make people laugh and be happy. Both of us are in our elements when there is a smaller group of people willing to talk about something we're passionate about. I do tend to yield to him in debates though, he takes them way more seriously and doesn't flex as he's already decided on his position before we get into things, debates are how I make up my mind so I need the flex.

    He has strong internal morals, thank goodness, as without them I could see his ENTJness steeping over anyone to get ahead, he has the brains and inclination to do anything he puts his mind to when it comes to business. I'm similar only replace "business" with "fun" or "pointless things".


    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    ENTP and ENTJ are totally different beasts. Where we appear to be similar is the need to control our environments but for different reasons. Another similarity is the ability to extrovert with people but once again, not for the same reasons as each other and not in the more traditional SJ or SP sense. The "T" dichotomy dislikes being disturbed when focus is on thinking.

    We both intuit but in different ways. Priorities are different.
    Amen miss kickass ENTJ!


    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    ENTP:

    - eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

    - Had to learn/work to be organized.

    - very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

    - clumsy

    - has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

    - more artistic/musical inclination


    ENTJ:

    - charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes

    - naturally organized from birth, effortlessly

    - sharp memory for anything

    - very athletic and coordinated, naturally

    - will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.

    - strictly a number-crunching/accounting person
    As an ENTP: I don't relate to the "eccentric weirdo" label but the rest of that statement is hella true. I'm not clumsy. I rock at sports. And my blood-pressure from stress is scary heart-attack material. The rest fits.

    As an ENTJ my brother is the most uncoordinated person I know in sports, he looks like a giraffe when you get him on a sports field of any kind, it's freaken hilarious. He is very musically inclined, and has always had a natural ear for it. He specialises in law and accountancy so the rest fits.

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    ENTJ:
    I like mrcockburn's list, but I think "strictly number-crunching/accounting" is not ENTJ. That's an ISTJ or maybe an ESTJ. The ENTJs are the "mission statements/company goals" people.

    ENTP:
    I'm not clumsy either, at least if I can concentrate on the thing I'm doing. I'm good at drawing and painting and such, but I can't eat without getting stains on my clothes.
    I can enjoy a vacation, but only if I'm allowed to frantically work on my projects (big ones at this moment: three manuscripts and two paintings. Not counting small ones such as trying out a new cookie recipe) So they aren't helping to avoid heart attacks... Please don't make me "relax"!

    Now that I think about it - I guess the ENTJ's projects would differ very greatly from the ENTP's! The ENTJ project is useful rather than fun, the ENTP project is fun rather than useful. Also, an ENTP tends to start projects that are too big for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    ENTP:

    - eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

    - Had to learn/work to be organized.

    - very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

    - clumsy

    - has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

    - more artistic/musical inclination


    ENTJ:

    - charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes

    - naturally organized from birth, effortlessly

    - sharp memory for anything

    - very athletic and coordinated, naturally

    - will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.

    - strictly a number-crunching/accounting person
    The ENTJ sounds more ESTJ to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    The ENTJ sounds more ESTJ to me...
    Yea, I wondered too why she used the attribute 'charismatic' for ENTJ's *cough* :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    ENTP:

    - eccentric weirdo who's generally not popular except for his small group of friends, seems quiet except when making smartass remarks in class (well-deserved ones at that) or inside the CEO's office, assaulting him with a barrage of "suggestions" to improve the business.

    - Had to learn/work to be organized.

    - very forgetful of names, details, dates, etc.

    - clumsy

    - has ability to actually enjoy a vacation.

    - more artistic/musical inclination


    ENTJ:

    - charismatic Harvard alumni who works as an investment banker. Never had problems making/keeping friends, excellent for networking purposes

    - naturally organized from birth, effortlessly

    - sharp memory for anything

    - very athletic and coordinated, naturally

    - will die of a heart attack by 40 because of their inability to enjoy vacations.

    - strictly a number-crunching/accounting person
    Can't relate to most of that, I probably relate more to your description of the ENTP than the ENTJ.

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    Awww... I love these classic discussions. What's the difference between xxxx and yyyy. That's what made me join the forum. Interesting days they were 2008. I discovered MBTI.

    xxxx Vs yyyy.

    These are what keeps MBTI interesting. Not the boring deep psychological discussions.

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