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    I think the fact that you perceive ENTJs to be evil and unfriendly as effing hilarious.
    Last edited by Rangler; 02-15-2009 at 09:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BookLady View Post
    I have met several people whom I thought were ENTP's but they have insisted they were ENTJ's.

    Why did I think so? Because their homes had some of the 'chaos' I have witnessed in "P" homes and because these women seemed kind of all over the place, flexible etc, very friendly and outgoing.

    Now, my uncle, mind you, is an ENTJ so I know what HE looks like...but can someone help me see why I am getting these women all wrong???

    TIA...
    ENTJs are anal and boring
    ENTPs are whiney and manipulative
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    I love a little wine while I manipulate.

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    ^Wine, they dine....

    ..but dang that independent streak.

    Also,

    whiney - nah, we can't be bothered to appeal to another. The devil on our shoulder is much too impatient for that bullshit.

    Oh, I also call it - to maneuver most efficiently in this world (others may call it manipulate).

    Peetato. Pfftato.

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    The ENTJ will boss you around and order you to give him/her your money.
    The ENTP will become your best friend and steal your money when you least expect it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post
    I think the fact that you perceive ENTJs to be evil and unfriendly as effing hilarious.
    i think the reason why most people think that ENTJs are unfriendly is because of the way they interact with others. the way they speak especially.

    i agree with you.i think ENTJs are extremely friendly. but 1 big issue they have is the lack of 'S' and 'F' in them. this is why when they speak they sounds as if, if you don't do what they tell you to do they will fire you(even though you don't work for him).

    just because you are a Extrovert it doesn't mean you are the king of socializing. this is very apparent in ENTJs. and this is also the ENTJs Achilles.

    their lack of 'S' ness makes them unable to interact like SP and SJs. you know the type of things you say just for saying it sakes cus its accepted and everyone does it, to break daily tensions built up by random events which put you at a awkward position with another person. well ENTJs have a hard time thinking how to react. this is due to the lack of S ness. not because they are unfriendly.
    even INTXs have this problem, much more than to the standard of incompetence of a ENTJ. but they are INTROVERTS. they don't mingle that much and wouldn't want to. and don't care.

    how about the ENTPs-
    they are just good actors.

    even NFs have socializing issues -
    but they have a strong F function. they know how to talk in a polite manner. and they don't feel(and you shouldn't) embarrassed by it. showing feelings and being polite.

    but NTs have a huge issue when it comes to socializing(i am not talking abt business)-
    INTXs don't care.
    ENTPs fake it. or learn it. the Greek verb bullshit translates to ENTPs
    ENTJs suffer, and people think they are unfriendly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Anyway, while I'm supposed to be doing homework, I'll give you a serious answer.

    The only way you're going to figure this out is if you compare the evidence.

    "P" and "J" aren't functions but are a part of the shorthand that abbreviates for the functions.

    ENTJ: Te, Ni, Se, Fi

    and

    ENTP: Ne, Ti, Fe, Si

    ...

    Generally, an ENTJ will seek to order things outside of them to suit a vision of what they think will 'work better.'
    ENTPs are more suited towards information gathering.
    It really has nothing to do with the appearance of 'chaos' (which, if they are ENTJ, there's likely a method to their madness) or outgoing and friendliness.
    Isn't the problem with every introverted function 'chaos'?
    And, if ENTP's are extroverted, information gathering will not be the goal but the instrument; like it is for the ENTJ (and every information gathering extrovert).
    Information gathering for the ENTJ: 'how do I order things'
    Information gathering for the ENTP: ?

    So there's still no conclusion.
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    Information gathering for the ENTJ: 'how do I order things I have now in a functionally efficient way'
    Information gathering for the ENTP: 'how do i connect concepts and ideas I get from any concept\context association to one another (to generate new ideas and concepts I will then ...)'
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    ENTPs are actually funny.

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    I distrust ENTPs. If you cross an ENTJ, we will stab you in the front most of the time. An ENTP will stab you in the back. I'm actually cautious around people who I think are ENTPs. I also waste time analyzing their words and behaviors do determine a threat level and developing a strategy to deal with them. ENTJs generally over expose themselves, giving ENTPs easy targets to hit.

    I suspect ENTJs would make great business leaders, while ENTPs would make great political leaders.
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