User Tag List

First 1234 Last

Results 11 to 20 of 71

  1. #11
    Not Your Therapist Sinmara's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Enneagram
    6w5 sp/sx
    Socionics
    ILI Ni
    Posts
    1,092

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    I'm always vulnerable. Every word I say awaits approval.
    *scowls disapprovingly*
    Never wrestle with a pig. You will get dirty and the pig will enjoy it.



  2. #12

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by yakimadude View Post
    INTJ and ENTP seem like a better match up than ENTP and INFJ.
    Uhhhhh....I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

  3. #13
    Diabolical Kasper's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Enneagram
    9w8 so/sx
    Posts
    11,544

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by allegorystory View Post
    Uhhhhh....I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
    I'm going to have to agree with you there.

  4. #14
    ReflecTcelfeR
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by allegorystory View Post
    Uhhhhh....I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    I'm going to have to agree with you there.
    QFT

  5. #15
    A window to the soul
    Guest

    Default

    Sure, it's freeing.

  6. #16
    Anew Leaf
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by StarsPer View Post
    Before I begin, let me just state that a lot of measurements or judgements here are very notably from an INFJ's, and, furthermore, my standpoint. If it sounds like complaining, it's because it is. But the point of the thread is to learn about what contradictions, or exceptions to these fairly typical findings / assessments of an ENTP by an INFJ may exist. Because I really want for them to.

    I've reveled in the unparalleled intellectual chemistry that can come with INFJ / ENTP interaction, only to come up empty-handed. There's a very distinct and pervasive cowardice in their conduct through all interpersonal areas where there exists the opportunity to be vulnerable, to relate, to be known and cared for. Even their relationship with information appears cheapened by their lack of committment to putting themselves out there more fully, to potentially be challenged and thus refined, or to refine another.

    I think it's because you're just not emotionally invested in ideas, quite the same as your relationship with people. It doesn't actually seem to matter to you to go not just deeper but all the way. You seem to be contented with transient flirtations with people and the ideas and connections that you effortlessly create and abandon. This insatiability surely fuels much of what I appreciate of you, but also maddens me.

    The connection that is sometimes shared between us is nothing short of enthralling, invigorating, tantalizing, inspiring. You are so easily capable of intoxicating me with your minds. And yet, I can't seem to truly wrangle you out into the light of day. And I am damned good at that. Especially when we are connecting really well! You have a distance from the thrills of it that I have to apply constant conscious effort around you to achieve.

    I also yearn to find a strong sense of humanitarian values and operation within the core of such a person. I know that I shouldn't expect something along my own lines.. but... I am so dismayed by such intense intellectuals sometimes being so overly preoccupied with things like.. for example, their personal appearance. Allocating so much time and even money to the matter. What the hell is that shit? (I actually know, but, oh my god is this a point of frustration!)

    I'm hoping to get some feedback on whether there is much to hold out hope for when it comes to an ENTP, for me. It may sound that I'm looking for another INFJ, and, while that is true, it is not what should be taken from this post. I appreciate the differences and the dynamics created through them. I just wish that I could close some of the gap with the right one of you, sometime. Almost all of my serious relationships have been with INFPs, but I have never been as passionate about, or felt as equally 'matched' in shared intellectualism at large than with ENTPs.

    Still, I've become pretty jaded and count your lot as being piss poor when it comes to loyalty, compassion, vulnerability and often even honesty.

    But this is all by a particularly hard to please INFJs standards. I'm sorry to NTs at large for my typical frustrations with these areas in which you are not NFs. I genuinely am meaning to be productive with this! If nothing else, I figure that some explicit INFJ reporting may be useful to some for learning about how others may experience them.
    Or maybe "he's just not that into you."

    In defense of ENTPs: despite the shortcomings of one of your kind, I still you for you are much win and kick assery.

  7. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    entp
    Posts
    1,190

    Default

    That was very beautifully written, @StarsPer, I fully empathize with you. The idealistic nature of ENTP takes some digging to uncover - after all, the world isn't exactly supportive of such an attitude.

    ENTPs need external triggers for being vulnerable because feeling IS a tertiary function. Thought I do use 'trigger', ENTPs', more often than not, have to build up to the point where they are ok with being what you want them to be. I also think this is type independent - I expect all xxTxs to be this way (they learn from experience and do better later on).

    Secondly, if an ENTP detects that you are trying to game them (you want them to behave a certain way), rest assured, they'll do everything in their power to defer that action for as long as possible; even if it kills them. And ENTPs are very good a detecting such tactics, they developed most of them. Why? I don't know. That element of oneupmanship, perhaps? Yes, its naive but here we are. Even maturity doesn't do away with this completely. Any area that the ENTP has not spent time thinking about and experimenting with will be treated like this. It comes down to competition.

    Excuses explained, I'm fully with you in what you are hoping for. I think its the height of an ENTP's humility and maturity when they are able to put themselves in situations that serve no purpose except to trust the other person enough to open up to them and share with them the ENTP's innermost, never-before uttered, most sacred of ideas. When this happens, the ENTP will either be really loud or really quite. Really high energy or caricatured with the most vulnerable expression you've ever seen on a 2 month puppy. The person at the receiving end is now a friend, if nothing else, for life. Most ENTPs will go into making the dumbest jokes after such an episode - this is their way of minimizing the weight of the things they have just spoken about in case you don't like them. This confuses the crap out of the other person because they are usually in awe of what they have just heard. But the ENTP doesn't know this because they are busy recuperating internally to pay attention to their surroundings. Yeah, this is cowardice - but live n' learn. When this happens, just ignore the dumb jokes (don't encourage, you're not doing the ENTP any favour) but be accepting of the ideas. Give them the biggest smile (only if you are good at giving smiles. any fakery and the ENTP will never trust you again) and make them feel comfortable. Then you can refute the ideas but most people usually don't want to.

    See, we are willing to be 'vulnerable' in search of truth - in real world terms, this means we are willing to fail test and accept that we are wrong. But this is only because truth (ideas (but not the ones mentioned in the previous paragraph)) are more natural to us. We have to work at being 'vulnerable' in relationships because those situations aren't as natural to us and therefore failing in that arena hurts us more than failing with ideas. Now, of course, its a stunted personality that can't handle failure but such insights and risk-taking only comes with time, experience, and a tiny bit of idealism.





    Also, if you don't see the ENTP as being loyal and honest, you haven't yet talked about the things that the ENTP actually cares about and deeply values.
    Last edited by thisGuy; 12-17-2011 at 01:49 PM. Reason: stuff here n there

  8. #18
    A window to the soul
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    Excuses explained, I'm fully with you in what you are hoping for. I think its the height of an ENTP's humility and maturity when they are able to put themselves in situations that serve no purpose except to trust the other person enough to open up to them and share with them the ENTP's innermost, never-before uttered, most sacred of ideas. When this happens, the ENTP will either be really loud or really quite. Really high energy or caricatured with the most vulnerable expression you've ever seen on a 2 month puppy. The person at the receiving end is now a friend, if nothing else, for life. Most ENTPs will go into making the dumbest jokes after such an episode - this is their way of minimizing the weight of the things they have just spoken about in case you don't like them.
    My God, you're giving away all of our secrets.

    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    Secondly, if an ENTP detects that you are trying to game them (you want them to behave a certain way), rest assured, they'll do everything in their power to defer that action for as long as possible; even if it kills them. And ENTPs are very good at detecting such tactics, they developed most of them. Why? I don't know. That element of oneupmanship, perhaps? Yes, its naive but here we are. Even maturity doesn't do away with this completely. Any area that the ENTP has not spent time thinking about and experimenting with will be treated like this. It comes down to competition.

    See, we are willing to be 'vulnerable' in search of truth - in real world terms, this means we are willing to fail test and accept that we are wrong. But this is only because truth (ideas (but not the ones mentioned in the previous paragraph)) are more natural to us. We have to work at being 'vulnerable' in relationships because those situations aren't as natural to us and therefore failing in that arena hurts us more than failing with ideas. Now, of course, its a stunted personality that can't handle failure but such insights and risk-taking only comes with time, experience, and a tiny bit of idealism.
    and so it goes, "I think we should see other people"...

    <--Watch stunted ENTP runeth away.

  9. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    entp
    Posts
    1,190

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    My God, you're giving away all of our secrets.
    o you can use the help...and you know it too

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    and so it goes, "I think we should see other people"...

    <--Watch stunted ENTP runeth away.
    right there with ya...this is why we need the help

  10. #20
    I drink your milkshake. Thessaly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    xNFP
    Enneagram
    3w4
    Posts
    1,395

    Default

    I think that the best way to connect with others and lure them into your heart is exposing yourself and becoming vulnerable. The more you practice the better you get at it and the less it hurts when not returned. Emotional fitness ENTPs. Get some.
    With dreamers, pure and simple, the imagination remains a vaguely sketched inner affair. It is not embodied in any aesthetic or practical invention. Reverie is the equivalent of weak desires. Dreamers are the aboulics of the creative imagination.

Similar Threads

  1. [ENTJ] Are ENTJ romantically interested in ENTP?
    By SlytherinD in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-04-2016, 07:55 AM
  2. [ENTP] ENTP: What other type (if any) would you like to be?
    By annnie in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 09-05-2010, 12:57 PM
  3. [NF] anybody interested in being a scientist in Astronomy?
    By niki in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 09-13-2008, 10:03 PM
  4. [ENTP] ENTP interested in increasing his J "competencies"
    By MrRost in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 03-27-2008, 01:05 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO