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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Kiddo, I love you until proven otherwise.

    Please don't disappoint.
    My thoughts as well.




    Although, I've been told that I can't be an INTJ because I'm too 'nice,' too 'chatty,' too 'disorganized,' and too 'creative.' A little disturbing, you know.
    I think you are an INTJ. I know I am, and tend to be all of those things just as often as a number of other people of different types. INTJ-ness has more to do with how you think than how you behave.

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    lets forward then, shall we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    Think about it while you browse MBTI Central. Surely I don't have to spell it out.
    Okay I will - the forum does this fine; why have a dedicated thread?
    Well, I have a few theories.

    Having a thread dedicated to a specific type can help out with one's understanding of that particular type. This could easily become an INTJ Q&A. Having actual INTJs rather than lots and lots of theory could definitely further one's understanding of them.

    Otherwise, it could be a thinly veiled attempt at a chat thread. It would create a core clique of primarily INTJs and they would discuss whatever INTJs like to discuss. Other types would peek in, add to the conversation, or merely observe how INTJs act in their natural habitat.

    Either way, I do see value in an INTJ-centric thread.

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    ^ Hap, the first paragraph describes my purpose for this thread. I am surprised that some people seem to have misunderstood this.

    Banana, I don't see what my earlier post has to do with "faulty logic." I wasn't making a logical argument in the first place. Most of my experience is on the INTJ Forum, where debates break out anywhere and anytime. Maybe they are less frequent here. I figured that the socialization between INTJ's and other types on regular threads would tend towards confrontation, which I am tiring of in this context. (Ahem, Blackmail.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of York View Post
    ^ Hap, the first paragraph describes my purpose for this thread. I am surprised that some people seem to have misunderstood this.
    Well, perhaps you should have stated that in your original post? The fact that you suggested it as a retreat suggests more the latter, that this is meant to be an INTJ chat thread, which is superfluous because everyone knows about INTJ-forums now that there's a forum dedicated to criticism of it.

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    You're right, Hap, I was rather unclear. The whole first post was tongue-in-cheek, and I should have made it known that the its last paragraph was more descriptive of the thread. But now it's out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post

    INTJs are just as single-minded, dismissive, stubborn, unyielding, relentless, and defensive as INFJs. The difference being INFJs value integrity and INTJs value competency.
    I agree that both INTJ's and INFJ's can be pretty insufferable. I, myself, often feel insufferable. Though I think most IN*J's mature significantly when they discover the depth of the world beyond Ni and their favored extroverted judging function.

    I don't know if all INTJ's value competency more than integrity, though. Most do, perhaps, but I find that both are amazingly important, and they tend to support each other. Integrity is the ideal starting point, in my opinion. Any ideas conceived out of a lack of integrity will be of a diminished value. Even if they are incredibly brilliant and well conceived. Integrity tends to dispel some of the more ego-driven aspects of one's personality. In my opinion, those egoistic things are little more than obstacles to be overcome... so I'd say it's quite the asset, for nearly everyone. A large aspect of integrity (IMO) is about being more honest and humble than the average person. This in itself eliminates like 70% of our self perpetuated BS.

    Likewise, integrity without competency has no voice or means of expression. It simply exists in and of itself, without furthering itself. So while just having integrity serves some good... it needs some level of self mastery, in order to be applied to it's full potential. Though how much self-mastery is hard to say. Perhaps this is one of those cases where less is more? At least, I don't think the balance is easy to maintain. In my case, competency can have a way of side-sweeping integrity. Competency can have a way of presenting itself to me as more immediately important... even in times where it very much isn't.

    I think it's better to just demand both . Integrity is good in determining an aim or goal that is in tune with one's values. Foundations based on integrity strike me as more appealing than foundations based on competency. Pure competency just strikes me as inherently aimless. It's more of an objective tool... it can be applied to anything. But I feel the application is what's important. Sure, a raw form of competency can be very appealing, for all it has the power to achieve... but it has to aspire towards the "right" sort of achievements, or it's all somewhat worthless. Integrity offers a more holistic sort of guidance. Logic can ultimately be lacking in describing the human element... and we're all humans first and foremost (hmm, I sort of sound like an F, here).

    We don't always want what we think we "should" want. Especially in the case of thinkers, I would think. I am, unfortunately, very familiar with convincing myself I don't want something when I very much do want it. I'm sure lots of thinkers can identify with this. In this case, I can be "competent" at discerning the logical path I maybe should want to follow. But I'm often "incompetent" when it comes to recognizing the path I truly do want to follow.

    A person purely motivated by competency could be quite ruthless. While ruthlessness holds it's appeal, it often has a way of losing sight of the bigger picture. I think a person should strive towards tranquility of the soul, genuine compassion, and clear ethics, first... to make sure they're not committing themselves to the "wrong" goal.

    Though, to be honest, sometimes I think I'm an INFJ.... in many ways, I'd actually rather be one.

    In either case, I seem to have a greater affinity for the human-element than most INTJ's. Whether that's indicative of a feeling preference, I have not yet decided.

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    I must say, umop_3pisdn, INTJs such as yourself are redeeming of the whole type in my eyes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silently Honest View Post
    OMNi: Wisdom at the cost of Sanity.

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    [QUOTE=Blackmail!;193835]
    Let's be brutally honest. I've checked many times the INTJ forum, and the least I can say is that you always were the odd one. You didn't look at all like other so-called INTJs:

    You are very emotional, INTJ's aren't.
    You are very egocentric and irrational. INTJs aren't.
    You are very religious. The vast majority of INTJs aren't.
    You take every criticism as a personal offense. Most INTJs don't care.

    Compared to the average INTJ, you were unable to understand or notice flawed logic, and you never were aware how easy it was to emotionally manipulate you, since most of your answers simply were out of any proportions, out of context.
    So now are you obsessed with me?

    I probably am not typical on the INTJ Forum; clearly I post more than average, and it seems I am more tolerant of NF's. Overall my letter preferences are weaker than most of the INTJ's, with the highest being 88.

    Why do you say I am "very emotional?" I do exaggerate my emotions when posting, especially in humorous situations, but I do not recall getting emotionally involved in much of anything. Examples?

    "Egocentric" is somewhat true, but that is an INTJ trait, at least considering the dictionary definition. Introverts in general tend towards that. Did you mean to say "egotistical?"

    "Irrational" is a blunt insult, especially to an NT. I would like to see an example of me being irrational.

    My religiosity doesn't seem to apply anywhere. There are religious INTJ's, so why should that indicate that I am not an INTJ?

    Your statement about criticisms doesn't add up. I only take something as a personal offense if it is untrue. If the criticism is true, I do not take offense; I act to improve the point of the criticism. And what do you mean by not caring? INTJ's will easily ignore things they consider preposterous, but will care about some things, especially those that they consider worthy of attention due to truth or socially damaging falsehood.


    More later.

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    Okay, Blackmail. I have to ask...what type do you think DOY is?

    Also, a question to Duke of York. Why the hell would you pick a username that could be shortened to DOY? :rof1:
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