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    If you don't want to change and you don't want to be social, why are you even here posting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Can you explain how that particular conversation made you realize (again) that you are so inept?


    It is quite funny how we grow fond of and do not wish to lose ourselves even if we are miserable. What is important, however, is that you will still be you during and after treatment because it is the memory that makes the person. You can still be special when you are 'like everyone else': they are all different.
    I have chat with him before couple times, we were talking about my problems. How I view things, my beliefs, my attuide towards people. He said he can already tell by tone of my voice I'm depressed or whatever. I felt I was misunderstood cause my traits weren't "normal". Which made me angry cause I accpet people for who they are. I respect how they view things and I don't ever see thoes traits as something "bad" even I disagree with them. People tend to believe they're all right and everyone needs to follow by their rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Unless this entire thread is a load of bullshit you are posting simply for amusement, yes you do have a mental disorder and yes you need therapy.
    doesn't matter if I have mental disorder, this is how my brain is wired. I always been the same since I was a kid. Never function too well in school settings or people but I dealt with it. Just feel lonely that I'm a lot older.

    Just makes me angry that people say I need a fix or that my brain is broken.

    Quote Originally Posted by bcubchgo View Post
    learn to love yourself and people will learn to love you.
    very cliche... but could be true. Never learned to love myself, always been self-loating. Don't really know how to break out of my insecurities.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firelie View Post
    If you don't want to change and you don't want to be social, why are you even here posting?
    I do want to change but in a sense of my own realization. Telling me to go to therapy doesn't justify how I deal with my problems. I do want to be social but I always get the sense from people that I'm insane. I even get a vibe from INFP and ISTP that I"m odd and these are the type I related the most to.

    Here to rant and express my emotions. See a different view. Maby some INTP went through the same thing, would be interesting to read how they cope with it. Maby to relate, that I"m not the only one who feels this way, maby to get validation that I'm not totally insane.



    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Wow, and I thought I had problems.

    You need to seek help, soon.

    The next time someone accuses me of being negative, I'm going to point them to you.

    You definitely think too much about shit that doesn't matter. Quit thinking about how crappy you are and start trying to change whatever it is that bothers you about yourself. For one, quit worrying about what people on a forum think of you. It's a testing ground and not real life.
    what does matter??????? Isn't that define by the individual? Does career matter? If I focus on my career and become successful would I then be complete?

    For me finding something I love matters, finding someone I can spend the rest of my life matters. My family matters.

    sorry, I just get this a lot from people "stop stressing about things that doesn't matter". How do they know what matters to me? always gets me what matters and what's important




    Most of friendship or conversation I had weren't very good, most people would just drop whatever they said and avoid me. Just stop talking to me in general. If I'm talking to someone online I would either not get invited or get banned in a group. It does bother me that I'm an outcast and I always try to find a reason why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by think2much View Post

    Most of friendship or conversation I had weren't very good, most people would just drop whatever they said and avoid me. Just stop talking to me in general. If I'm talking to someone online I would either not get invited or get banned in a group. It does bother me that I'm an outcast and I always try to find a reason why.
    kinda like what you guys are doing right now.

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    This thread is kind of baffling me because you're phrasing the whole thing as a call for advice, but yet you already seem to know exactly what your inadequecies are and exactly how to fix them. So why not go do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mujigay View Post
    This thread is kind of baffling me because you're phrasing the whole thing as a call for advice, but yet you already seem to know exactly what your inadequecies are and exactly how to fix them. So why not go do that?
    I agree with this.

    @think2much, the people who posted in this thread were willing to help you, but to me you came off as a bit passive-aggressive and because of that people gave up trying to help. You either ignored helpful advice or dismissed them immediately as something that would never work.

    There are a few things you have to understand about these kinds of threads:

    Seemingly Unhelpful Advice
    The OP feels like no one understands the real situation, because everyone seems to be giving 'vague', 'shallow' advice. Keep in mind that no one will ever understand your situation if you only provide 'vague' information. If you say "I don't get along with my family and I don't go to gatherings, so that makes me feel like crap", do you think people can give you a detailed analysis of how your relationship formed over the years and point out your parents' point of view and give you advice on how to reconcile? No, the most they can say is "Well, start going to family gatherings then." When you read this, you just feel more misunderstood, and this may or may not feed into the second point below:

    The Victim Psychology
    Another psychological thing is that, some depressed people get into the 'victim' mode. They think they are messed up and people are mean and everything is so negative and hopeless. The scary thing about this victim mode is that you just keep on victimizing yourself and try to prove to anyone who would listen how cruel the world is to you. The attitude is 'Yes, I'm not perfect, but the world is so unforgiving and everyone hates me." This is an excuse. This is when you tell yourself that it's the world that needs fixing and not you, that you are blameless (after all, my shortcomings do not warrant such terrible treatment from other people!), that nothing can ever change. It's a trap. Change is hard and painful. Victim mode thoughts just try to keep you safe in the conviction that you are powerless, and therefore free from the responsibility to make your life work. It's just like the people who, upon given a challenging task, choose to admit they are not clever enough to do it, than to risk attempting it and having to accept failure (or success).

    I'm sorry I have to be harsh in this post. I figured if you just needed sympathy and hugs you should have posted in the NF section

    Well, here goes one anyway
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    People are dumb in general. Few are rational enough to see that the world as a simple place. Adults seem to make life very complicated. I am 14, and most people in their right mind wouldn't take advice from me, but one thing I have figured out is that about 10% of the population is worth talking to and it is decreasing daily. The trick is to keep looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky1313 View Post
    People are dumb in general. Few are rational enough to see that the world as a simple place. Adults seem to make life very complicated. I am 14, and most people in their right mind wouldn't take advice from me, but one thing I have figured out is that about 10% of the population is worth talking to and it is decreasing daily. The trick is to keep looking.
    You may want to give yourself a few years before you start deciding you know more than 90 percent of the population champ. Hell of a first post though, I will give you credit for that. Protip: you can only edit your posts for about two weeks. After that gracious window, you will look like a tool forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by think2much View Post
    taking drugs just to survive sounds depressing. I refuse to die than take daily meds. It isn't essential to survive.

    I can't even imagin how taking meds will change my life, I'm still gonna strugle with everything I'm dealing with.

    Taking adderall would be more efficient since I'll be more productive. Again taking pills just to function in this society is depressing. If I wanted this pain to go away I rather take meth. all again unhealthy choice.
    Cognitive behavioral therapy or meditation may be good alternatives. Therapy is about as effective as meds. Supposedly a combo of meds and therapy usually gets the best results though.

    You seem to be struggling with this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck%27s_cognitive_triad
    Cognitive behavioral therapy would help you to reframe things.

    EDIT: I struggled with that type of thinking posted in the OP and I did not like the idea of meds so I talked it out A LOT with a confidante/ therapist and analyzed things to figure out the root cause and reframed my thinking from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earthtrekker1775 View Post
    You may want to give yourself a few years before you start deciding you know more than 90 percent of the population champ. Hell of a first post though
    I remember having a similar perspective when I was 14. I wouldn't have said the world was simple, but rather that its inherent complexity was tractable by anyone willing to engage reality with reason. "Adults" made it needlessly complex, usually by inserting the unproductively irrational. Of course, people didn't listen to me any more than to Sparky.

    Now, with over two decades behind me, I see that this perspective was (and is) essentially correct. Life experiences have shown me that there is something to be gained from interaction with the other 90%, but it is rarely great conversation. Experience has also shown me how to use these conclusions, and when to keep them to myself.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    How we see ourselves as individuals.



    What that individuality and uniqueness approximates in practical application.


    Everybody thinks that everyone else is the 90%.
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