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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    But that is only the truth of your own subjective being, your Ni, so to speak.
    Wrong.

    It is the truth of the world.

    It is Te truth.

    But you fail to understand this, as you don't value Te.

    And, just as fled our pm conversation, your ego doesn't want to recognize this is the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Sorry, but I just wouldn't make for a very good cult member standing in the front of your mob of followers so I can stare up at you in awe, an intellectual giant on the stage, while you pontificate on your personal notion of truth and life in general, but while trying to ignore the glaring reality of the nose hairs that reveal the imperfections underneath the appearances.
    I'm not looking to start a cult.

    Nor, based on what I've seen from you, would I want you to be a member of any organization with whom I'm trying to accomplish something.

    Which is probably how the INTJ who works with you feels, which is probably why you were asking in the first place.

    Frankly, I see where he's coming from.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I just realized the obvious fact that Carlos Castaneda, who developed a So. Californian cult in the 1980s, was an INTJ.
    Congratulations.

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    Once again, this has been a very revealing conversation.
    I completely agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I don't have standing friendships with INTJs, I have working friendships which would quickly dissolve if any of us quit the job and moved on. I have an INTJ classmate "friend" on facebook, but he's not a friend per se and in high school he never invited me to his D&D games with the other nerds.
    One of my best friends who I've known for over 2/3 of my life is an INTP.

    The thing is, his commitment to the truth is strong.

    And he's probably the nicest person I've ever had the pleasure of knowing (well, tied with my Grandfather).

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    If I have a "weak commitment" to truth, it's because I don't believe in Truth with a capital T as you do.
    You know little to nothing about my conception of truth.

    Your weak commitment to the truth is demonstrated not by what you say, but by what you've done.

    Which is run away once I've revealed your blatant logical inconsistency, and then try to deny that this was the case.

    That is not up to interpretation, that is a fact. It's what happened. It is the truth.

    Your behavior is also a large part of the reason why INTJs often complain that NTPs (ENTPs, moreso) lack integrity.

    And it's probably a large part of the reason why you have no INTJ friends.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I tried it on for size many years ago, and it didn't suit my character or thinking style.
    Putting aside the full-of-shit aspect of what you're saying, this once again sounds like your rejection of Te in favor of Ti.

    The sooner you come to realize this the better.

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    INTJ philosophers such as Rand and Nietzsche don't provide Truths, as they think they do, only guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I would like to point out that not all INTJs are atheists.
    Wow, what a revelation.



    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    However, I would have to say that INTJs tend to be atheists, while INTPs tend to be agnostics. But that is only because INTPs prefer to leave at least one thread untied, while INTJs (even the theists) prefer to tie up all the ends and then melt the knots with fire just to make sure the rug never, ever comes unraveled.
    From my rep to @Rasofy about his post: Atheist INTJs bother me as well. They usually have Pi tunnel vision. If an INTJ doesn't leave some room for agnosticism, they most likely have Pi tunnel vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Wrong.

    It is the truth of the world.

    It is Te truth.

    But you fail to understand this, as you don't value Te.

    And, just as fled our pm conversation, your ego doesn't want to recognize this is the truth.



    I'm not looking to start a cult.

    Nor, based on what I've seen from you, would I want you to be a member of any organization with whom I'm trying to accomplish something.

    Which is probably how the INTJ who works with you feels, which is probably why you were asking in the first place.

    Frankly, I see where he's coming from.



    Congratulations.



    I completely agree.



    One of my best friends who I've known for over 2/3 of my life is an INTP.

    The thing is, his commitment to the truth is strong.

    And he's probably the nicest person I've ever had the pleasure of knowing (well, tied with my Grandfather).



    You know little to nothing about my conception of truth.

    Your weak commitment to the truth is demonstrated not by what you say, but by what you've done.

    Which is run away once I've revealed your blatant logical inconsistency, and then try to deny that this was the case.

    That is not up to interpretation, that is a fact. It's what happened. It is the truth.

    Your behavior is also a large part of the reason why INTJs often complain that NTPs (ENTPs, moreso) lack integrity.

    And it's probably a large part of the reason why you have no INTJ friends.



    Putting aside the full-of-shit aspect of what you're saying, this once again sounds like your rejection of Te in favor of Ti.

    The sooner you come to realize this the better.



    There's no meat to any of your statements. I myself do actually put some work into adding content to the conversation. I want to say something interesting, even if it only interests me. That's nice that you have an INTP friend, they can be pleasant conversationalists although a bit air-headed, lost in structures that have no end.

    Your statement "it is truth of the world" is revealingly pathological, even if you're not out to start a cult. It is not Te per se that I find so nauseating, it's the subjectifying of the objective realm as a realm of Platonic Ideas to which the world is to conform. And in the main, such a mindset has, historically speaking, been capable of widespread destruction.
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    “Culture?” says Paul McCartney. “This isn't culture. It's just a good laugh.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Wow, what a revelation.





    From my rep to @Rasofy about his post: Atheist INTJs bother me as well. They usually have Pi tunnel vision. If an INTJ doesn't leave some room for agnosticism, they most likely have Pi tunnel vision.
    The phrase "Pi tunnel vision" has no meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    There's no meat to any of your statements.
    Actually, there's tons.

    You're just too detached from reality to recognize it.

    The people I've been getting reps from recognize this as well.

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    I myself do actually put some work into adding content to the conversation.
    Unfortunately, you largely fail.

    At least in this case.

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    I want to say something interesting, even if it only interests me.
    And I want to say something true, but only if it is true of the world.

    Welcome to Ti vs Te.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    That's nice that you have an INTP friend, they can be pleasant conversationalists although a bit air-headed, lost in structures that have no end.
    In your case, I can certainly see the latter two.

    In my friends case, he is very grounded and intelligent.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Your statement "it is truth of the world" is revealingly pathological...
    Wrong again.

    But your response once again shows your lack of Te, and how they very notion of Te/objective truth gnaws at you.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    It is not Te per se that I find so nauseating...
    I don't know whether you find it nauseating, but it is what rubs you the wrong way.

    You just fail to understand that this is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    ...it's the subjectifying of the objective realm...


    You mean Ti?

    C'mon man, don't hate yourself as well...

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    ...as a realm of Platonic Ideas to which the world is to conform. And in the main, such a mindset has, historically speaking, been capable of widespread destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The phrase "Pi tunnel vision" has no meaning.
    Yes it does.

    You just don't know what it means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Actually, there's tons.

    You're just too detached from reality to recognize it.

    The people I've been getting reps from recognize this as well.



    Unfortunately, you largely fail.

    At least in this case.



    And I want to say something true, but only if it is true of the world.

    Welcome to Ti vs Te.



    In your case, I can certainly see the latter two.

    In my friends case, he is very grounded and intelligent.



    Wrong again.

    But your response once again shows your lack of Te, and how they very notion of Te/objective truth gnaws at you.



    I don't know whether you find it nauseating, but it is what rubs you the wrong way.

    You just fail to understand that this is the case.





    You mean Ti?

    C'mon man, don't hate yourself as well...



    Your post is empty of content, there is literally nothing to respond to. You have attained the reductio ad absurdum of your type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Your post is empty of content, there is literally nothing to respond to. You have attained the reductio ad absurdum of your type.
    Yes, just as "Pi tunnel vision has no meaning"...

    Your problem is that you think meaning is derived only from your subjective interpretation.

    It is not.

    There's plenty of meaning in there.

    Your ego just doesn't want to consider what's being said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yes, just as "Pi tunnel vision has no meaning"...

    Your problem is that you think meaning is derived from your subjective interpretation.

    It is not.

    There's plenty of meaning in there.

    Your ego just doesn't want to consider what's being said.
    I fully realize that something is being said. Obviously, something is being said. But empty narcissism is just like so much hot air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I fully realize that something is being said. Obviously, something is being said. But empty narcissism is just like so much hot air.
    And the circularity of your argument reveals itself.

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