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    Because INTJs keep their interesting ideas (Ni) to themselves, except in the company of trusted friends.

    Most of the outer world just sees their "get stuff done" Te function, so they appear really guarded and won't suddenly perk up and go on a tangent when the conversation shifts to one of their areas of interest the way INTPs do (thank Ne for that.)

    The internet is certainly not classified as a safe environment where they can be totally open. INTJs rarely risk revealing more information than is strategically necessary--this is why they won't open up and share the interesting ideas we all know they're harboring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    INTPc seems to have the opposite form of openmindedness/freedom.
    INTPcentral is closeminded, though it never fails to be interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Because INTJs keep their interesting ideas (Ni) to themselves, except in the company of trusted friends.

    Most of the outer world just sees their "get stuff done" Te function, so they appear really guarded and won't suddenly perk up and go on a tangent when the conversation shifts to one of their areas of interest the way INTPs do (thank Ne for that.)

    The internet is certainly not classified as a safe environment where they can be totally open. INTJs rarely risk revealing more information than is strategically necessary--this is why they won't open up and share the interesting ideas we all know they're harboring.
    Another agreement. Sheesh, say something to get me to quit agreeing with you.

    I've been on a NTP populated forum (that was not INTPcentral) where most of the users adhered to serious discussions and rarely participated fostering companionship. Unlike INTJf, it remained invigorating at all times.

    So I doubt INTJf's dull atmosphere is more attributed to the lack of social outlets, than it is by the lack of Ne as Simulatedworld and Economica pointed out. SW is spot on with his observation: they restrict the interesting ideas to themselves. Ne is the superior function when you want a group conversation to carry over. It gives the participants a chance to bounce ideas between each other and arrive to entirely new thoughts. The ball (a topic) will keep on rolling and rolling and rolling as long as you feed it new material.

    INTJs are usually the two cent gurus. The ones who say the last word of vaulable insight, harvest the juicy feedback and then retreat back to their cave to ponder in solitude about their next idea. The issue is that 70-80% of everyone there is the two cent guru. SW explains it well when he says INTJf is hesitant to take advantage of those tangents and run wild with it because they're too uncomfortable with running on little preparation. Instead the user speaks their position... and that's it. Resolution. You can't really keep the flames consistently going.

    Ni is great for alone time, one-on-one situations or smaller interpersonal situations in terms of continuity. Since my first experience with online forums in 2004, I'd say what truly keeps anything (and the excitement) going are the Ne & Se. I've never seen a Ni or Si dominant forum successfully ridding external boredom unless it's a speculation forum (example: discussion about novels).

    To tackle the Fe portion, their social areas can grow extremely lackluster for the same reasons. You get the, "Oh, I'm surprised you can smile!" jokes, the "My, you're in a room with another human being!" astonishment, the "Wow, our little INTJ is finally socializing!" applauds and including the all-time classic, " ... Is that a laugh, I hear? Dreaming about taking over the world again?" snark. It's funny the first few rounds, but then you see it again and again for the 1000th time. Few dare to go crazy with the banter.

    Nevertheless, things get exciting in topics that require active creativity -- engaging their Ni to think and show the viewer how they had conjured an original solution to a problem. You'll find a plethora of mind-blowing ideas here. This is where the INTJs intensely come alive. When they're theorizing, not preaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    If the aim is trolling, please donít. I like it there and find trolling lame
    I've just started getting into this trolling thing... but since you find it boring, I'll spare them my crap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    INTPcentral is closeminded, though it never fails to be interesting.



    Another agreement. Sheesh, say something to get me to quit agreeing with you.

    I've been on a NTP populated forum (that was not INTPcentral) where most of the users adhered to serious discussions and rarely participated fostering companionship. Unlike INTJf, it remained invigorating at all times.

    So I doubt INTJf's dull atmosphere is more attributed to the lack of social outlets, than it is by the lack of Ne as Simulatedworld and Economica pointed out. SW is spot on with his observation: they restrict the interesting ideas to themselves. Ne is the superior function when you want a group conversation to carry over. It gives the participants a chance to bounce ideas between each other and arrive to entirely new thoughts. The ball (a topic) will keep on rolling and rolling and rolling as long as you feed it new material.

    INTJs are usually the two cent gurus. The ones who say the last word of vaulable insight, harvest the juicy feedback and then retreat back to their cave to ponder in solitude about their next idea. The issue is that 70-80% of everyone there is the two cent guru. SW explains it well when he says INTJf is hesitant to take advantage of those tangents and run wild with it because they're too uncomfortable with running on little preparation. Instead the user speaks their position... and that's it. Resolution. You can't really keep the flames consistently going.

    Ni is great for alone time, one-on-one situations or smaller interpersonal situations in terms of continuity. Since my first experience with online forums in 2004, I'd say what truly keeps anything (and the excitement) going are the Ne & Se. I've never seen a Ni or Si dominant forum successfully ridding external boredom unless it's a speculation forum (example: discussion about novels).

    To tackle the Fe portion, their social areas can grow extremely lackluster for the same reasons. You get the, "Oh, I'm surprised you can smile!" jokes, the "My, you're in a room with another human being!" astonishment, the "Wow, our little INTJ is finally socializing!" applauds and including the all-time classic, " ... Is that a laugh, I hear? Dreaming about taking over the world again?" snark. It's funny the first few rounds, but then you see it again and again for the 1000th time. Few dare to go crazy with the banter.

    Nevertheless, things get exciting in topics that require active creativity -- engaging their Ni to think and show the viewer how they had conjured an original solution to a problem. You'll find a plethora of mind-blowing ideas here. This is where the INTJs intensely come alive. When they're theorizing, not preaching.
    That was a great post. How did the NTP forum you mentioned stay on "serious discussions and rarely... foster{ed} companionship"?

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    I can tell you: because there are only NTJs. A general forum is much more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethe View Post
    INTPcentral is closeminded, though it never fails to be interesting.
    Depends, I consider the way the forum is handled, the off-topic Ne tangents, the absurd topics etc. to be a form of open-mindedness. It is quite clear to me that INTPc generates topics that I could never have thought of and that they deal with certain issues in a more open-minded/laid-back way. They lack the INTJf openness (primary judgers after all, also Si and Fe), but they have freedom and openmindedness of their own.

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    Any forum that frowns upon public masturbation doesn't deserve my participation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Limey View Post
    Any forum that frowns upon public masturbation doesn't deserve my participation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    Without any attempts to bash it, I've been trying to wrap my head around it. Why is INTJforum so boring? What MBTIological reason could there be to explain the phenomenon that occurs when you bring a bunch of Ni/Teers together?

    One on one, I have found the few INTJ relationships I have had to be full of sparks (and then full of "forgetting to communicate" time, but, still, the INTJ-INTJ singular relationship is not boring).
    Why is it boring when you bring a bunch of INTJs together?

    Is it the moderation of the forum? The mod seems like a kind but incredibly closed-minded (and therefore forum-limiting?) person, from general observation and the few PMs I have exchanged with her. Is it a Cognitive Function reason?

    Why? Why?

    I can't figure it out. Someone please explain or throw out ideas.
    (I found this thread interesting enough to join this forum and reply. This is my first post.)

    A lot of time has passed since this first post was made, so things may have changed, but assuming not, here is my speculation.

    Quite simply, you find it boring because you don't get INTJs. It's OK, we're used to it. You might know some INTJs in real life that seem more fun, but the INTJf is a place where INTJs go to think and talk like INTJs, without having to translate ourselves for others' convenience. The fascinating INTJ(s) you know personally are so happy to have someone like you even get them a little bit, they're going to a great deal of effort to connect to you, emphasizing those aspects of themselves that you have made clear that you like, and hiding those that they're all too keenly aware that just confuse (if not offend) others.

    When I started seriously researching MBTI several months ago, INTJf was the only place I found with threads that thoroughly discussed the differences between INTJ and INTP: the discussions and interactions in those threads were very enlightening. I could watch the self-designated INTJs make short brief points, self-designated INTPs would respond verbosely with seemingly impeccable logic, and the INTJs would then respond to the INTPs with statements along the lines of "That's not what I'm talking about. And no, I'm not jumping to conclusions." I'd reread the INTJ posts, then see the tangent develop in the INTP posts, and eventually realized: I get the INTJs ... I sort of understand the INTPs, but the INTJ people are thinking like I think. Wow.

    INTJf is perhaps one of the most social places I've encountered on the net. Without really trying, I made a lot of friends fairly quickly. Let me run that by you again: I'm an INTJ, and, without really trying, I made a lot of friends fairly quickly. INTJs do not, as a rule, make friends quickly, and we have to really try with the ones we do make. Most other people just don't "get" us.

    To get into the typology of it, I noted several remarks in the thread which suggested that Ne and Fe are what make threads/forums, that Te generally seems boring, and Ni and Fi (where all the interesting action is at) are hidden away deep inside. These observations aren't entirely off the mark, but they demonstrate that those who posted them don't get INTJs.

    Really, it's just the Ni. There are two MBTI types that emphasize Ni (INTJ, INFJ), and both of them have this problem of being/feeling misunderstood by others. Characteristic of Ni is that strong Ni users can "just look" at a situation, and immediately understand it with great depth and accuracy, subject to a the remarkably rare possibility for error due to confirmation bias. It's difficult to explain this understanding - it isn't words, it's a construct, like a computer program. The construct very quickly, and very much subconsciously, processes observations we make in the real world, and hands us insights. When we state these insights, most other people (non INxJs) have a hard time understanding how we can be so certain, and most Ni users have a hard time explaining that certainty, and without a strong Te, have difficulty "reverse engineering" a logical rationale for their entirely intuitive observation. This strong Ni is why INTJs tend not to get along with many people, yet are often good at troubleshooting complex, seemingly intractable problems.

    Some of the most interesting threads I see on INTJforum are started by those who are not INTJs asking about how to deal with INTJs because someone important in their life is an INTJ. "You mean he really does love me?" "Yeah, he just decided to stay in your town in spite of the fact that he doesn't have many career opportunities there. He's head over heels in love with you. We INTJs do not reorganize our lives to that degree for anyone, unless that one is extremely important to us. We just suck at emoting that love, is all." This dialog of how INTJs can communicate with non-INTJs is of utmost importance to us: we're well aware of the fact that people just don't get us ... it's perhaps the most fascinating yet intractable problems we try to solve.

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    Why is the INTJforum so boring?

    Isn't that question kind of redundant? They're INTJs. This didn't need 22 pages to explain.

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