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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyne View Post
    Usually, I am the only one in the group who has an idea of what should be done, or how to do it.

    I don't seek leadership positions, I don't like the responsibility that comes with it, but it falls into my lap too often because I have a clear plan in mind on how to proceed, or the only one with a solution. I tried to back away from it a few times, and concede to someone else but sometimes it takes the work or project a long time to move forward.

    Also, it's not a matter of others being unable to figure things out, it's just that I do it quicker than everybody else. As if, I am hardwired to think of things like that..so they end up giving me the leadership position.

    I'd be more than happy to just mind my own assigned part and not worry about leading anybody or anything anywhere.
    Yeah, I feel exactly the same. Although, if it's something I'm really enthousiastic about, I'll take over much more gladly. However usually people don't care that much about things I'm enthousiastic about, lol.
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    As it related to career path, management just "was". Quite frankly, it never occurred to me to not target the role within the sector of choice.

    Socially and when in school, I avoid leadership but if something needs to get done and everything's crazy disorganised, I'll either take it on or get reluctantly pressured into adopting the role.

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    I'm not a leader, i just can't help but act when people look at me sheepishly with easily satisfiable desires in reach.

    I don't ever enlist the aid of others to accomplish things that don't matter to them, much less direct them towards making my selfish goals their own.

    So, my "leadership" is charitable, giving to people what they desire but cannot see how to get. Actually usually it's not charitable, it's my way of repaying a debt of friendship.

    Can I get any more magnanimous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcubchgo View Post
    because I'm too much of a rebel to follow anyone else's rules.
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    Thanks for the answers guys. It's interesting to find out how a few of you people lead more out of other's inability to do it properly over objectively choosing to lead.

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    I can't speak for general life, but as far as social groups go, I noticed ENTJs seem to "accidentally" take the lead.

    Example: my friend Kevin would occasionally join my primary social group on our outings at college. As we were friends before college, he knew me best and we were close friends, so it always ended up being just me and him talking on the way to our destination. The interesting thing is that, as we were always in front of everyone else, we ended up being the de facto leaders and making the group's decisions... even though I was a small part of the group and he wasn't even a part of that particular group.

    My experience with other ENTJs has been much the same, with respect to social settings.

    I think in a lot of ways ENTJs just have this management attitude about them. Even if they're not "trying" (though I don't know of a time when Kevin wasn't trying to manage something), they still tend to make the journey to the 'top' relatively quickly. It's interesting to observe them do it. In situations where they're "active" (I assume them all active, but I know not all of them will be), they know what needs to be done, and they do it with the upmost precision.

    Oddly, though I have more experience with INTJs, I couldn't tell much about their leadership abilities. My younger INTJ cousin has also been my best friend for years... yet in almost everything we do, I take the lead. He makes me. In other situations (i.e. those where I'm not involved), he will quickly be front and center and very decisive on matters. My older INTJ cousin is similar, but with minor differences: he lets me take the lead until he determines that it's time to step in and be decisive.

    The count: one INTJ steps aside for me, takes the lead elsewhere. One INTJ steps aside for me, but takes the lead when necessary.

    By 'steps aside for me', I mean they put me in leadership position for whatever reason, almost every time. Not implying superiority or what have you.

    I think INTJs just like experimenting. Seeing how the approach of some people goes and either 1) acting on a similar approach or 2) making adjustments to said approach where necessary mid-approach. There's no reason why either of them (both more capable than I) would put me as leader unless they were getting something out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post
    I think INTJs just like experimenting. Seeing how the approach of some people goes and either 1) acting on a similar approach or 2) making adjustments to said approach where necessary mid-approach. There's no reason why either of them (both more capable than I) would put me as leader unless they were getting something out of it.
    Quite well put. When letting my J side dominate (i.e. being an INTJ), I always seek for the most optimal (effective) solution. Usually, the most optimal solution includes that I am doing something else than leading. I can lead, I can even be good at doing that, but I am even better at staying at background observing and throwing ideas regarding whatever we are doing. Therefor, I am more than happy to let others lead when I consider them capable enough for that but when I don't, I also assume the leadership role quite naturally.

    So in that perspective, both of your INTJ friends sound just like INTJs usually do. They lead when they need to but they have no special desire to lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    It comes naturally if you are in a group of people who do not see the bigger picture and you do.
    In my case, indecisiveness. Nothing is more frustrating than a large group of people thinking and analyzing and drawing wrong conclusions, just to start the whole process over again, to ultimately decide that they can't decide on anything. Thinking without doing means failure and death.

    And here's my dirty little secret: I never liked Hamlet. That bitch had to die. I'm all for Fortinbras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    In my case, indecisiveness. Nothing is more frustrating than a large group of people thinking and analyzing and drawing wrong conclusions, just to start the whole process over again, to ultimately decide that they can't decide on anything. Thinking without doing means failure and death.

    And here's my dirty little secret: I never liked Hamlet. That bitch had to die. I'm all for Fortinbras.
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