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    I was just explaining why it could be construed that way High Fe will get you accused of being an F, don't you know that?
    Well, since Fe is the inferior function of INTP's, their greatest weakness, no wonder they can't understand it!!!
    No wonder everything I say just seems so alien for them. I can't blame them, it just means I am a different brand of NT than they are, that's all...

    Should someone try to explain me how Si works instead, I would be lost and confused too... -I never really figured it out, so far-

    My Fe may be high, but my Ne and Ti are even (far) higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanan View Post
    I soooo agree.
    Anyway, if I am harsh with NTs, it's because:

    1) He who understands well, chastises well.

    2) I can refer to my own flaws. And I am not especially lenient or soft on myself.

    3) I think mature NTs are able to cope well with criticism.

    4) I think they will be able to figure and analyze the logic behind it, rather than trigger the defence mechanisms of their formidable Egos.

    5) As a matter of fact, somehow, I am proving that NTs can be brutal, even brutally honest, no??
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    Amazing... now we have an NTP attempting to induce types boiling down to being the same ... oh, if they're "mature" or have worked hard enough... give me a break or just admit you don't think there is such a thing as MBtypes. This induction process just will not wash with me.

    I'm sorry... really, I mean no offense, but I've only seen "Fs" do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanan View Post
    Amazing... now we have an NTP attempting to induce types boiling down to being the same ... oh, if they're "mature" or have worked hard enough... give me a break or just admit you don't think there is such a thing as MBtypes. This induction process just will not wash with me.
    No, it doesn't mean the same, and it has nothing to do with inductive reasoning whatsoever.

    When I'm refering to terms like "mature", or "immature", I'm thinking to the fourth dimension of MBTI (-> Time), what's called the "individuation process" by C-G Jung himself. The fact I developed my Fe only as a young adult doesn't have the same implications as if it would have been my dominant or auxiliary function. NOT AT ALL.

    The order of appearance (as child, as teen, as adult) is essential for the later interactions between the functions.

    For instance, an ESFJ (dominant Fe) will not use his Fe the same way as I would, even if my own Fe was the highest someone could ever imagine. The goals are not the same. I use my Fe as a tool, as a function made to tune or refine my Ti, while for the ESFJ, it would simply be his raison d'etre.

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    If I didn't think there could such a thing as MBTI types, you wouldn't have so much difficulties to figure out what Fe (your inferior function) represents. It's normal, it fits well within the framework of the Jungian theory. Quod Erat Demonstrandum!
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    there are 8 functions that make each person up

    and not all NTs do fall into the baser characteristics of the type and therefore would rather not be classified that way
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    I have read what you said Black and, my apologies, hubby is on the way home and I have to go but, would you mind considering that you may have worked so hard at that development that you've actually taken on the persona of one? I seriously do see much of what you have said on this thread as vry "F" and I don't mean to be disrespecting you. I said when I came on this group that I would never presume to type anyone and am not doing that. I just can't relate to how you're characterizing NTs and, if I recall correctly (?) INTPs, in particular. I understand they are the hardest types to determine and with good reason. Perhaps you err in thinking they actually are "narcissistic" and/or "autistic." But its statements like that that really make me wonder.

    Sorry... be back later.

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    Anyway Seanan...

    Have you noticed that an INTJ chose to agree with me?
    It's not surprising.

    There's a big difference between the NT's who can develop a Feeling function as their tertiary (ENTP-> Fe, INTJ-> Fi), and the NT's who would likely never understand or figure how to use them since it's their inferior preferences (INTP's and ENTJs).

    But do not confuse mature ENTPs or INTJs with Feelers, because then you would make a deep mistake. Do not assume every NT's have the same weaknesses as you have.
    Like I already said, my own inferior function is Si and so far, I do not understand what it means. When I read the description, it seems... cryptic, like if someone would talk to me in a completely foreign language.

    If I notice an INTP with a high Si (it's your tertiary), however, I hope I would not try to accuse him/her to rather be an ISTP... It would be false and pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcea Rosea View Post
    No, I rather confuse NT's with sudden emotional outbursts.


    This will work. It will cause the NT to malfunction, say sorry, and then go on a lecture about Ayn Rand to try to explain to the NF the reasons why causing an NT to malfunction is immoral.

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    morals? don't bring that dirty FJ word into this thread!
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    Hubby is delayed... :sad:

    Thanks for the input. Yes, I will agree... we are very different. Hope that wasn't too egotistical.

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