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    The question is, how many people of other types admit they are of average intelligence? I don't know many people in general who say they are of average intelligence.

    Not without reason there exists that quote of Rene Descartes:

    "Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than they already have."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    There is absolutely nothing about emotional "intelligence" that logic and reason cannot penetrate.
    Well yes and no. I guess you can trace someone's emotional reactions and make sense of them. There is some sort of logic there. You can reason that: if this happened to me, in this context, then it makes sense that they would feel such and such a way. But I'm not sure if that's the same thing as a syllogism or something. I find a lot of people are capable of impersonal logic, but when they try to figure out the logic of people they are pretty hopeless (and vice versa of course). Some are adept at both, of course.

    I find there are a significant numbers of NT's who claim that their logic/reason penetrates through people's psyche, but in reality they're just clueless. Not that I'm sort of puppet master/empath who has visions or some shit like that. I just find when people confide in me, they often respond well to my attempts to understand their feelings and confirm that I do in fact understand.

    I think it would be hard to admit the shortcomings of something you build your identity around though. I rarely hear NF"s say: "meh, I don't really understand people all that well. No better or worse than the next guy, at least."

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    Thank you to @Eckhart for the lovely quote from Descartes. I am reminded of words from another great social commentator.
    Welcome to Lake Woebegone where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average. -- Garrison Keillor
    There must be a high percentage of NT's in that town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckhart View Post
    The question is, how many people of other types admit they are of average intelligence? I don't know many people in general who say they are of average intelligence.

    Not without reason there exists that quote of Rene Descartes:

    "Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than they already have."
    Yup. Let's not single out NTs here people.

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    When asked, most individuals will describe themselves as better-than-average in areas such as leadership, social skills, written expression, or just about any flavor of savvy where the individual has an interest. This tendency of the average person to believe he or she is better-than-average is known as the “above-average effect,” and it flies in the face of logic…

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    Yeah, I once thought to myself, where do some people get such a high self-esteem? They're not very well-liked, they are modestly talented, etc. But apparently these people never got the memo. And I also realize *gasp* I must have the same bias!

    It's like when I was little, I used to think I was "the man". Until I went to kindergarten and met 100 other "the man's". "Little Timmy Asterisk beat me in a footrace? But I thought I was the fastest kid in the world. You lied to me, dad!" It was a very crushing realization at the time, and I still probably don't grasp it completely. Well the speed thing, I definitely do realize, but you know, the rest. Although I think I have done a pretty good job crippling myself with indecision and negative thoughts. I don't even have faith in the content of this very post. I'm pretty modest. Come to think of it, I'm way better at being humble than everyone else.

    I think all types are vulnerable to this line of thinking. A lot of NF's arrogantly assume they know what's best for people/humanity, and are very convinced of their own morals.

    The whole 7/10 drivers think they're above-average is something I try to remember. But I also think, yeah that's actually possible, as long as the other 3 are so bad that they disproportionately lower the average skill level.

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    Hrm...

    This raises an interesting "chicken and egg" question. It may well be that most NTs are in fact of "above average intelligence" as determined by classical IQ tests. I'm sure somebody out there has written a paper on it*. This seems reasonable as the heavy use of logic and reason demands a fairly high cognitive ability. The question is... are NTs "smart" because of their intellectual skill set OR in order to be an NT does one require a "threshold" IQ? I guess the optimum experimental group would be a group of NTs that had suffered a brain injury that reduced their cognitive functions. Would they still test as NTs?



    *I did a (very) hasty search of literature data bases and found this: http://asm.sagepub.com/content/3/3/225.short
    However, this is not my area and I may not know what keywords to use in the search nor am I really qualified to asses the quality of the paper.
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    I'm of average intelligence. /thread
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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    The main issue with this issue is the definition of intelligence.

    Does it test an individuals potential, or look at an individuals minima and maxima. Does it factor in to what (and which) extent the indivudual uses their intelligence. Without a solid answer to any of these questions, the importance of a persons intelligence is not tested.
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    I have yet to meet a person I can objectively say is more intelligent than I am.

    lol

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    I think most ppl believe they're above average...
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