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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    What I am saying is:

    • You are both "right" from your own perspective.
    • You are missing the points he is making with his Ni, and that is causing this "discussion" to stagnate into Ti "This is illogical" and Ni "I have stated this abstract internal concept as externally as I possibly can."


    I see a disconnect between both of you attempting to externalize your internal mode of processing to each other. I don't think IJ is trying to be as obtuse as he is coming off in his responses, Mac, I think that is how Ni operates. (I will be the first in line to say that I don't fully grasp what Ni is and does, so I am fully admitting to shooting in the dark here.)
    yes.

    jim, i think the way you're approaching this is not the most tactful. i know you're pissed people are seeming unfair and not listening. i admit that i see things with fair ease from a similar perspective to yours - but mostly i think people are seeing your upset* and responding to that. also your typical INTx aura of superiority. it is not doing you favors right now. nor the other INTs in the thread, it currently looks like a sandbox squabble.

    *noun, not adjective; "your" is correct, in case anyone was wondering

    however - as far as i can see it he does have a valid point, removed from all personal wah-wah. sometimes posts are deemed "off topic" and moved; other times clearly off topic things are allowed to stay. lord knows i post things that seem off topic (though to my mind, are not) sometimes, and they stay. sometimes things are not moved that seem truly off topic to me - and as an ENP it takes a lot for me to see things as off topic. other times things are moved that seemed perfectly in line with the conversation, flowing from previous points, even if they did not perfectly address the OP.

    as to whether jim was personally persecuted, clearly i cannot know, but i also think there is plenty of truth in that there is a good amount of inconsistency in what stays and what goes. it comes as no surprise to me that a Ni dom could pick up a pattern of movement and draw specific conclusions from it.

    it does seem like things are already stacked against jim. that was partially of his own making, clearly, but perhaps also a result of the functioning of forums in general. often open external criticism of what is not considered "fair" is not particularly welcome by those who are in charge, being that members do not know the full story of what is going on, and are essentially given a gift of forum usage in the first place.

    it's a strange situation. the forum is not a right, but a privilege, which stacks things oddly. one cannot lobby for "fairness" because one does not have the right to be here. yet those in charge may unknowingly be less welcome to certain points of view, and deal with those moreso than others. on one hand, that is life. things are unfair. on the other... well, as a member of the forum i feel like i should do my best to try and help be the best place it can. and inconsistency is truly frustrating. the community may flourish more without it. i feel like jim is in a bad place currently because he is not especially in favor many people's eyes right now, as far as i can see it, and as such his point will not be considered openly. but there is a certain truth to what he is saying, and i don't see why it couldn't be discussed objectively.

    though perhaps this discussion belongs in the feedback forum instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Yes. I could also point you to several posts from Jennifer or Kasper on your request. However, since you are unwilling to consider 1 datapoint is greater than 0 datapoints, I see little value in providing you 1,000,000 datapoints against the time I would have to invest to do so. If you wish to find the evidence you will. If you do not you won't. I'm not going to play mailman at a measurable opportunity cost.
    I would like to see evidence that anyone read that specific post and knew you wanted it moved. Do you have anything beyond the movements of mods in and out of this thread?

    Oh yes, someone in the peanut gallery wishes me to repeat this question:

    You cannot see what specific invisible people are doing anywhere on the forum. How can you see this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    however - honestly,guys, he does have a good point. sometimes posts are deemed "off topic" and moved; other times clearly off topic things are allowed to stay. lord knows i post things that seem quite off topic (though to my mind, are not) sometimes, and they stay. sometimes things are not moved that seem truly off topic to me - and as an ENP it takes a lot for me to see things as truly off topic. other times things are moved that seemed perfectly in line with the conversation, flowing from previous points, even if they did not perfectly address the OP.

    as to whether jim was personally persecuted, clearly i cannot know, but i also think there is plenty of truth in that there is a good amount of inconsistency in what stays and what goes. it comes as no surprise to me that a Ni dom could pick up a pattern of movement and draw specific conclusions from it.

    though perhaps this discussion belongs in the feedback forum instead.
    Yes, I agree it is inconsistent. What is at issue here is the conclusion that specific people are targeted for persecution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Oh yes, someone in the peanut gallery wishes me to repeat this question
    Your posts are now being ignored.



    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    jim, i think the way you're approaching this is not the most tactful. i know you're pissed people are seeming unfair and not listening. i admit that i am not sure why you can't get a simple clear answer either - but mostly i think people are seeing your upset* and responding to that. also your typical INTx aura of superiority. it is not doing you favors right now..
    There is no benefit in approaching the problem from alternate angles. Those have been tried and failed on numerous occasions, now we brandish guns.

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    And addendum to the invisible people question:

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Just explained that in depth MacG. There is a process. You can see whether they are browsing the forum or other activities, it is very entertaining.
    No, one cannot. Currently in this thread there are:

    There are currently 12 users browsing this thread. (9 members and 3 guests)

    Since four are also named, that means there are 5 invisible users. Unless an invisible person makes a post, you don't know which invisible user is which.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I can see when my posts are quoted inside the staff subforum, you can too! You can track the click in and out times of invisible users when it shows the time of last activity and the time of the changes in usercount on a thread. Especially when they travel in groups 1+1 = 2
    Last activity of invisible users is not listed, either on Who's Online or in their profile. Not even when last an invisible user was logged in. One cannot track click in and out times either. There is no way to differentiate between invisible users without a post or rep or some other outward direct interaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    There is no benefit in approaching the problem from alternate angles. Those have been tried and failed on numerous occasions, now we brandish guns.
    Water guns.

    Jim, where do you stand on the Kinsey scale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Water guns.

    Jim, where do you stand on the Kinsey scale?
    Absolutely Water Guns! Water Fighter Jets too! As I say, it's a pissing contest of Pe->Pi.

    I'm 1 on the Kinsey Scale. I admit, I have very little familiarity with it.

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    fine, jim, push me away too. i'm trying to be on your side without burning any bridges. i see your point and believe it deserves consideration. i would be happy to participate in an objective discussion in the feedback forum about it. but i am going to call things as i see them, including you being somewhat of a whiner right now. if you want it to be your battle alone, i will not interfere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    fine, jim, push me away too. i'm trying to be on your side without burning any bridges. make it your battle alone if you please.
    I think you are overreacting to an honest statement. I did not intend to *push* or offend I just wanted to inform.

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    Jim, here's a question: why the hell does this form keep getting hacked? what are the motivations of the hackers and who are these hackers you talk about in your previous post.

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