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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    If you guys don't agree with Jim's perspective on things, then let it go. The universe is not going to implode because opposing ideas are being held captive like canaries in everyone's skulls.
    If he was capable of explaining his perspective logically, I would. Is that too much to ask of an INTJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Why do you expect special treatment then?
    Because it is not special, not in the request, as you admitted yesterday or indeed out of sync with existing actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    If he was capable of explaining his perspective logically, I would. Is that too much to ask of an INTJ?
    Sigh, I will repeat this post for you, because you are embarrassed and you are starting to cry a lot. It's unflattering and it'll give you time to back out and think.

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I believe you have been attempted to logically box me into a position of 'admitting' it is me who has the problem.

    First, you started off trying to logically show that it was just me who had the problem. I then provided a sample of visible proof and stated truthfully that I had discussion with other members which was also proof.

    Then you went to great lengths to try to draw teeth and prove to me the moderators were not biased, you then admitted they were after I provided truth that they were so.

    You are then trying to excuse all of these failings by trying to pretend the moderators did not read the post even when I have already provided to you the record (which was recorded on the very post I made here!) regarding their activity.

    However now you are willing to admit your own assumption is that the mods are incompetent and spitting teeth because I haven't answered your questions directly, instead providing you with an evidence based solution not based on the twin scientific principles of star maths and fuzzy thinking. All I have done is open the doors to the truth and you have agreed upon inspection and principle that my viewpoint is accurate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    If you guys don't agree with Jim's perspective on things, then let it go. The universe is not going to implode because opposing ideas are being held captive like canaries in everyone's skulls.

    It's his thread to have fun in, and it was fun until this bizarre Ti vs Ni battle began.

    Question: If you could bring an extinct animal back, which one would you choose?
    Question: What planet in our solar system would you most like to visit?
    Question: Do INTJs prefer honest assessments, even if they are blunt, to sugar coating?
    1) I would bring back the Sabertooth tiger, because tigers are awesome
    2) I'm going to cheat and name a moon, Ganymede
    3) Honesty is the best policy. Sugar coating doesn't really impact the value of the assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Because it is not special, not in the request, as you admitted yesterday or indeed out of sync with existing actions.
    Isn't that why you actually have to make the request rather than magically waiting for someone to read your mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    If he was capable of explaining his perspective logically, I would. Is that too much to ask of an INTJ?
    It's clear to me that both of you are eloquently explaining yourselves just fine as far as you both understand yourselves. The problem lays in the fact that you two aren't speaking the same language. It's like watching a UN debate where everyone's translator is barfing up their jejunum in the ladies toilet instead of helping their bosses hammer out some agreements between countries no one has ever heard of before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Isn't that why you actually have to make the request rather than magically waiting for someone to read your mind?
    Not when my posts are moved and molested explicitly without the request of other users. Therefore, no, you do not require a report for my business get interfered with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    It's clear to me that both of you are eloquently explaining yourselves just fine as far as you both understand yourselves. The problem lays in the fact that you two aren't speaking the same language. It's like watching a UN debate where everyone's translator is barfing up their jejunum in the ladies toilet instead of helping their bosses hammer out some agreements between countries no one has ever heard of before.
    What you are observing is when an xxxP gets it into their head that they are going to 'tell someone they are wrong' and then the other person provides actual evidence that to an xxxJ would cause them to consider and ponder. The evidence bounces off because the extroverted judgement is in the Id, that should use that evidence is more willing to defer to a 'friend' than to actually do its work. The Id is self serving, it is not interested in compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Because it is not special, not in the request, as you admitted yesterday or indeed out of sync with existing actions.



    Sigh, I will repeat this post for you, because you are embarrassed and you are starting to cry a lot. It's unflattering and it'll give you time to back out and think.





    1) I would bring back the Sabertooth tiger, because tigers are awesome
    2) I'm going to cheat and name a moon, Ganymede
    3) Honesty is the best policy. Sugar coating doesn't really impact the value of the assessment.
    1- Nice choice!
    2- Oh snap! You went there. I approve actually. It looks very pretty there... plus then you get to visit Jupiter at the same time. And since you can't feasibly land on Jupiter... this is the next best thing.
    3- Excellent.

    New Question:
    1- Do you think the human body is inefficient? Considering that certain systems have a redundancy built into them, but other, crucial systems do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    It's clear to me that both of you are eloquently explaining yourselves just fine as far as you both understand yourselves. The problem lays in the fact that you two aren't speaking the same language. It's like watching a UN debate where everyone's translator is barfing up their jejunum in the ladies toilet instead of helping their bosses hammer out some agreements between countries no one has ever heard of before.
    I am being as simple and straightforward as I can be using the English language. Or am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    New Question:
    1- Do you think the human body is inefficient? Considering that certain systems have a redundancy built into them, but other, crucial systems do not.
    An interesting question! Technically 'most' of these apparent ineffiencies are efficent. e.g. we can 'survive' with one eye but two eyes provide depth perspection and an appreciation of 3D. Or say? Why have 4 fingers and 1 thumb when 3 fingers and 1 thumb is fine? Because there is an evolutionary advantage in being able to lose a finger but still function! Evolutionary enough for the 4th finger to survive and thrive, but not enough for 5!

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I am being as simple and straightforward as I can be using the English language. Or am I wrong?
    You aren't to me, becuase you aren't providing evidence, merely dictating a dialogue. You'll never convince a cognitive J to listen to what you have to say if you are going to make implict assumptions. By contrast I am not being straightfoward to you because I am providing evidence but I am not providing an answer because I expect you to take the evidence and consider it at face value rather than telling you what to think or indeed what I think about that evidence becuase I feel I have stated it. This is doubley the problem because as an Ni-Se perceiver I see action, not categorisation whereas as an Ne-Si perceiver you see categorisation, not action, this makes me entirely foreign to you. @Saturned is wise in the ways of the J's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I am being as simple and straightforward as I can be using the English language. Or am I wrong?
    What I am saying is:

    • You are both "right" from your own perspective.
    • You are missing the points he is making with his Ni, and that is causing this "discussion" to stagnate into Ti "This is illogical" and Ni "I have stated this abstract internal concept as externally as I possibly can."


    I see a disconnect between both of you attempting to externalize your internal mode of processing to each other. I don't think IJ is trying to be as obtuse as he is coming off in his responses, Mac, I think that is how Ni operates. (I will be the first in line to say that I don't fully grasp what Ni is and does, so I am fully admitting to shooting in the dark here.)

    TL;DR: It's a pointless argument about nothing. On. The. Internet.

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    Therefore the answer to your question:

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    InvisibleJim, why do you feel so persecuted?
    Is that I feel persecuted because I have seen evidence that routinely shows I have been dealt with unfairly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    TL;DR: It's a pointless argument about nothing. On. The. Internet.
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