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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Right now, I see this:

    MBTI forum - 106 viewing.

    How many of the 106 viewers are N or S?

    NT forum - 58 viewing.

    How many of the 58 viewers are N or S?

    NF forum - 90 viewing.

    How many of the 90 viewers are N or S?



    And no, using one of these is not permitted:

    There are a variety of ways we could deal with this issue you raise. First, we could look at the number of posts (as a percentage) made in the S forums by N members. And we could look at the number of posts (as a percentage) made in the N forums by S members. I'm not going to take the time to do that, but I'm *confident enough* to say that the N's post more (again, as a percentage) in the S forums than the S's do in the N forums. I see way more threads started by N's in the S forums than I see threads started by S's in the N forums. If this *assumption* is true, it means that N's are posting frequently in the N forums and N's are also posting frequently in the S forums. It would also indicate that S's are posting infrequently in the N forums and relatively (key word) infrequently in their own forums as well. The conclusion wouuld then be that there must certainly be more N's on the site than S's. (Note: Yes, I do think that some people have mistyped themselves, but I don't think there are hundreds of S's on this site who mistakenly call themselves N's. If this were the case, then it would be just as likely that many N's have mistyped themselves as S's - i.e., the error would balance out).

    Secondly, we could ask: Why in the world are so many more people (regardless whether they are S or N) constantly viewing the N forums rather than the S forums? I find it very hard to believe that a ton of S's are sitting there viewing the N threads (but not commenting a whole lot). On the other hand, I find it very likely and explainable that lots of N's are viewing the N forums because the content is more familiar to them.

    Third, we could look at it like this: Of those 254 members that you refer to in your post, does anyone really believe that 50% or more of them are S's? Does anyone truly think that 127 or more of them are S's? If anyone does think that, it would be interesting to hear *why* they believe that. Taking it even further, it's commonly accepted that there are more S's than N's in the world. So, in order for S's to be representing themselves proportionately to society at large, even 50% representation wouldn't cut it. There would need to be 60% or 70% S's on the site, or whatever the true number is (it's well above 50%). So, of those 254, you'd need the vast majority of them to be S's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    MBTI doesn't really address behaviours or motivations.
    Yes, mbti categorizes people; enneagram explains motive and behavior moreso. I think mbti also describes behaviors, just in a bigger, overall picture, sort-of way..... and mbti can help to explain the motivations behind different actions and choices.... "why is that istp jumping off a bridge?!" Answer: He's seeking a thrill, and he's counterphobe (judgment on motivation made upon information taken from mbti + enneagram).

    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Secondly, we could ask: Why in the world are so many more people (regardless whether they are S or N) constantly viewing the N forums rather than the S forums?
    Because there is nothing interesting in the SP forum lol.... There are threads full of thoughts, information, and discussion in the N forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Because there is nothing interesting in the SP forum lol.... There are threads full of thoughts, information, and discussion in the N forums.
    Are you saying that you think there are more S's on the site than N's? Or just stating why you personally browse the N forums?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Yes, mbti categorizes people; enneagram explains motive and behavior moreso. I think mbti also describes behaviors, just in a bigger, overall picture, sort-of way.....
    Correlation does not imply causation.

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    By the way, just to be clear, my argument here is not that N's are more "interesting" or "important" or any of that hogwash. I also found that part of the OP to be ludicrous. My contention is simply that the discrepancy we see in the numbers of people viewing N forums vs. S forums is fairly representative of the membership we have on this site. I believe we have many more N's here than we do S's, for whatever reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Correlation does not imply causation.
    In this particular situation: Not always, but it seems to in many, many instances. "can indicate possible causes or areas for further investigation; in other words, correlation can be a hint"....
    I generally check-out the person and situation well before i decide that the description does provide knowledge concerning motives and behaviors. Anything else in my mind is fairly speculative.
    mbti/enneagram knowledge tends to be reliable more often than not, if used in the way I am using it.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Or just stating why you personally browse the N forums?
    I was compelled to offer some insight into the situation from one SP perspective hehe.


    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    By the way, just to be clear, my argument here is not that N's are more "interesting" or "important" or any of that hogwash. I also found that part of the OP to be ludicrous.
    I didn't think you of the sort to discriminate, or to be exclusionary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    My contention is simply that the discrepancy we see in the numbers of people viewing N forums vs. S forums is fairly representative of the membership we have on this site. I believe we have many more N's here than we do S's, for whatever reason.
    I don't doubt that! I think so too.....

    But it doesn't bother me anyway if people think I am less interesting..... People are free to think whatever they want, even if it's something negative about me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickNaylor View Post
    The amount of energy I have to expend to divert the 'S' type folks' attention towards the MBTI has left me exhausted. I don't know of many who have further pursued it with any naturally-occuring, genuine interest in educating themselves about personality types. Whether it be for self-help or something to read on the shitter (pending you are using a mobile source for your viewing pleasure, although the motivation for that is questionable), I find that N types seem to generally question themselves and the "genetic makeup" of the human's cognitive existence in general.

    Although I am quite aware that most of you have read this and said to yourself: "that's a rather simple conclusion, what a stupid ENTP", I put this in perspective for you:



    Perhaps the only valuable argument to counter this is that we're simply more... interesting? (Don't tell me there are two threads that happen to be on fire in both sections thanks).
    Hi, long time listener, first time caller here.

    Can you extrapolate further on the data you have gathered in regards to this phenomenon? Are you speaking of "Essfolk" that you encounter in your real, physical life? Or are you speaking of Essfolk that roam this website here? Also, do you test your subjects yourself? Or do they take tests and then hand over the results for you? Do you have a test group of non-tested individuals as a control group from which to extrapolate data from? Do you have the data in regards to how many Ennfolk do pursue this topic? How do you define "genuine" and "naturally-occuring and "education"? What does "in general" mean? Also, what does "interesting" mean? And what is your data in regards to what is interesting to an N versus an S suggest?

    Thanks for your time. I eagerly await an influx of relevant pie charts, line graphs, and the ever popular mean distribution graph.

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    @ICUP - I can get behind correlation, as long as it's understood that it's only correlation.

    Arguing for the other side, take people who wear public faces which covers a substantial percentage of the population. Their behaviours which includes what they articulate, can be quite polarised from what they're thinking. One aspect of this is tact or being politically correct. What is their motivation for being tactful or politically correct and how does this map back to MBTI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    By the way, just to be clear, my argument here is not that N's are more "interesting" or "important" or any of that hogwash. I also found that part of the OP to be ludicrous. My contention is simply that the discrepancy we see in the numbers of people viewing N forums vs. S forums is fairly representative of the membership we have on this site. I believe we have many more N's here than we do S's, for whatever reason.
    Yeah, I think so too. I've seen a number of people argue that all these self-typed Ns must really be sensors in denial, because just look at the population statistics: 75 percent of the population prefers Sensing. But when you look at the types of people who are interested in a particular thing, you often do get a very different picture than you would if you just look at the general population. The book "Gifts Differing" has a whole chapter on this. When you look at engineering or fine arts students you find a disproportionate amount of INxx types, when you look at science students you find a disproportionate amount of NTs. Occupational therapy students include a disproportionate amount of ExFx types. People studying to be counsellors are mostly NFs. Etc. A message board dedicated to an obscure topic like personality theory most likely will have a type distribution that differs quite a bit from the general population, and in this case N/S seems to make the biggest difference. It's not the only factor, and there are plenty of Ns who aren't interested and some Ss who are, but it does have an effect.

    I think it's very silly though, to declare that a group of people are "more interesting" just because they happen to share your particular interests. What is interesting and what is not is completely subjective. People who don't share my interests aren't "less interesting"; they are just interested in different stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    What is their motivation for being tactful or politically correct and how does this map back to MBTI?
    It depends on the person. There are many reasons behind it, I'm sure.... from "because I will get fired", to "I don't want to offend", to "I want to present the proper image,"...... Mine would probably be more the first two than the last.... I would think that their motivation for being tactful or politically correct would be insight into figuring out what type they are. (And, HOW tactful or politically correct they actually ARE would provide insight into what type they are. ) I tend to be on the lower end of "tactful" in many situations, unless I HAVE to be tactful....
    I think behaviors, even when people are acting differently than what they are thinking, still predict type. Then again, sixes are known to be able to see behind outward appearances and to read implications moreso (or at least try to .) What's the point in tact, in many instances? I suppose I think it depends on the situation. Sometimes people need to hear certain truths about themselves, and that, imo, comes way-before-tact, and my own popularity. If you can't even hear and know the truth, how are you going to improve yourself?! In the same way, I don't expect others to be dishonest or tactful in communications with me, either (to a certain extent, of course. I mean, they can't come up to me and say, "You are a stupid, ugly, b****" lol).

    I have found myself actually ACTING ON the behaviors of people, without them ever saying a word to me. And it's because I am reading who they are, and it's making me feel something in response. Then, I respond based on what I "know" about the other person. And when I act on it, other people are very puzzled.... LoL..... I have proven that I have been right on occasion. I do wonder if other sixes do this....
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