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    Quote Originally Posted by chachamaru View Post
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    I will take your treasures. To make me rich.
    To be honest I think this is one of the best posts in thread.

    I'll tell you why, historically the affirming of working class sensibility has been a feature of pretty much every ideology, even those that didnt hold out any hope of improving things for working people or dispensing with ideas about station altogether.

    When I hear anyone affirming or attacking the working classes now it's just cartoonish and wrong, there's nothing to villify or valourising about class per se, particularly if its only an indicator of wealth or status, maybe once upon a time those were things to automatically attacked pride to as earned, deserved, respected but I'm not so sure and who's to say they ever were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I have in the past, why?
    Because your experience doesn't square with mine, and I'm trying to figure out why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Because your experience doesn't square with mine, and I'm trying to figure out why.
    How big of a company did you work for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    How big of a company did you work for?
    I'm currently working for a global pharma manufacturer, and I work at a manufacturing plant. I've been with the company about five years, in various capacities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I'm currently working for a global pharma manufacturer, and I work at a manufacturing plant. I've been with the company about five years, in various capacities.
    That may be where the distinction lies - the company I worked for was smaller (oilfield related). Might have to do with a bit of the siege mentality that working in these fields engenders - in the smaller companies, it's the bigger ones that are always out to get you, and in the bigger ones, it's the government who is doing the same. I actually did some pharmaceutical compliance work last summer, and did some research into FDA regulations and the sort. Turns out that while on the sales side, the Feds are pretty brutal (with the billion-dollar offlabel fines and all), on the manufacturing side, many, if not most, of the regulations were created with the consultation of many of the larger companies. Not only that, but there had been a bit of an outcry over claims of favoritism.

    I guess it all depends on your perspective. What might be a pain in the ass to you might also be keeping the stock price a few cents higher. It's just that the latter is the higher priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
    I'm 37. I'm not old.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Like I said, read that book I recommended.
    I researched this very special book, and my opinion of it is now even lower than it was originally with you describing it in only the vaguest terms.

    It isn't a work of serious sociological literature, it's a self-congratulatory satire book: great humor for the sort of people who like to look down on everyone else.

    And I do mean everyone...apparently the only class of acceptable people are in the 10th "class X" which I suppose Edgar considers himself as belonging to.

    It looks more interesting as a work of light comedy. It is not a real sociological study of class, and telling people that they are wasting their time by going to any college that isn't an Ivy League college bespeaks of a particular world view the author has, not fact.

    I'm actually not suprised that you would take a book like this so seriously, since you also take Keirsey stereotypes so seriously.

    You're such an INTJ. *pets*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I researched this very special book
    Researched? As opposed to read it?

    Also, u mad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    In fact, the more I read this, the more I think people are confusing things like level of intelligence, intellectualism, and even personality type with "class."

    I got the same impression just skimming through the thread...

    I think that attitude is what breeds resentment towards upper class wealthy people from the lower classes.....some of these people appear to have the idea that the lower classes are somehow less intelligent, not inclined to intellectualism, without refined feelings, etc. That along with the idea that simply because these people were born into wealth & opportunity that they automatically DO have those things. This just doesn't exist outside of movies....

    This is why determining class outside of money & social status is tricky.....if you're gauging it by the aforementioned traits, then you can have different classes within one household.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    This is why determining class outside of money & social status is tricky.....if you're gauging it by the aforementioned traits, then you can have different classes within one household.
    But if the classes hate each other, we can watch all the craziness unfold. It's perfect material, fit for some kind of sitcom.

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