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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I apologize for having wrapped up my ego in my arguments in the past. This involves trying to stretch the logic of my argument out to where I can stay technically correct, instead of just admitting that I had taken a wrong turn, and starting over with better info. I realize now that it's annoying, and that most of the time, you're not correcting me to one-up me.

    What sucks about this is that there is a "boy who cries wolf" effect that comes out of this, which undermines my credibility on later topics where I do have accurate knowledge, and do need to stand my ground. Furthermore, keeping at a completely asinine argument simply because I was afraid I'd look bad was the most shortsighted thing imaginable. I looked much worse through the use of logical gymnastics, after all!

    I promise that from here on out, if you've got some good info that I'm not aware of, I'll be happy to learn it, and appreciative of your knowledge. It's nothing personal, after all

    I wrote this because during a discussion with another (assumed younger) ENTP on another board, I couldn't believe how many basic logical flaws were in his argument; what's more, I couldn't help but recognize how familiar those tactics were to me. Embarrassing...

    It's always better to leave a discussion knowing what's true, than it is thinking that you won on bad information and rhetorical skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I wrote this because during a discussion with another (assumed younger) ENTP on another board, I couldn't believe how many basic logical flaws were in his argument; what's more, I couldn't help but recognize how familiar those tactics were to me. Embarrassing...
    Ah yes, I know that experience well -- of seeing my past behavior reflected in someone I'm currently dealing with, and realizing to a full degree what others had to do to put up with me during my own time(s) of folly.

    Teachable moment. They happen. No worries. Change is progress.

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    The thing about losing an argument is that, even if you lose, you still win, because now you know much more than you did a moment ago. It is gratitude, not apology, that is required here.
    Agreed... although at times one can be smarting way too much to feel an emotion as pure as gratitude. ("Yes. Thank you. Hit me again. Yow, that hurt. Yes!")

    If I find myself getting too emotional about a position, I try to force myself to step back, figure out why, and switch back to a more open position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It's always better to leave a discussion knowing what's true, than it is thinking that you won on bad information and rhetorical skill.
    What is this winning you speak of? Do you get a prize?

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    *smiles*

    We all go through this, its part of growing up and gaining wisdom, I guess

    You've always been an openminded guy in my experience and willing to listen when genuinly interested in the topic (despite still perhaps sticking to your guns..but that's fine with me )...even if you are an ENTP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post

    If I find myself getting too emotional about a position, I try to force myself to step back, figure out why, and switch back to a more open position.
    Only switch if it is the right thing to do. Sometimes you're supposed to feel strongly about a position, but you have to know why you're feeling this. Sometimes the initial position is totally justified and worth keeping.

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