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    Default Are ISTPs actually closer with INTJ, ENTP and ENTJ than with INTP?

    It is something that I tought about last day. I mean ISTPs are Ti dom, and that make them share some commons issues with NTs. At the same time, ENTx and INTJs are considered as more pragmatic and action oriented, and, especially for xNTJs, more practical. We share also the chart-the-course interaction style with INTJs and and Se and Ni with xNTJs, plus the Te process and the Ti-Se process have a lot in common. On other side, INTP are considered as the most oriented toward pure knowledge and lack of action of all type, wich is not really an ISTP issue. What do you think about?
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    Well...

    I think theoretically no type is supposed to be "more" like another. It's like a 16 point shape where each point is equally different/the same from all other points. 16 dimensions.

    So theoretically..an intp and an istp will have as much in common as an istp and esfj. (It might not be the same stuff they are "the same" in..but I think theoretically the amount of "stuff" they will be the same in will be the same..)<- I know this probably makes no sense to anyone but me...I don't know how to put it any better.

    I don't think the mbti is supposed to be a continuum from esfj-intp where those two are polar opposites. It's more of a conglomeration..so given that...theoretically your question has no real answer unless you define what you mean by "more" alike.

    So an istp and intp are the same in the sense they both share Ti.
    etc etc

    if you are looking for external measures...
    an istp and intp are completely different. intps use Ne and Fe and istps use Se and Te. Externally istps should be more like those who use Se and Te.

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    Yes, it is what I think. When I started to learn about MBTI, I thought it was a sort of ESFJ-INTP continuum, but the more I studyed it, the more I realised that it is not really that, of course I very much in common with INTPs in some sie, but on other side, I can feel closer with ESFx. It depends.
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    If I were to choose one of the 16 MBTI types to pick as most likely "buddy" material, I would have to say I've historically had the best rapport with ISTPs of any type I've been around.

    The one's I've befriended, I've found myself getting along with pretty well, usually having a lot of mutual and complimentary interests.
    Above all I tend to appreciate their sense of humor, admire their ability to get shit done, and envy their disposition to genuinely not give a shit about anyone else's opinion.*
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    *edit* Forgot to mention, I disagree with your last statement in the OP.
    Most of the ISTPs I've run into have immense stores of knowledge, both practical and theoretical in nature.

    So, eh, in summary, I dunno about the technicalities of them being "closer" to INTPs, typologically speaking, but anecdotally, I've found them to be the easiest to identify with of any type.
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    The ISTP's I've known are "doers" in the sense that they like to be active - Se drives them to engage the physical world. For INTP's, Ne sort of does that, but we don't necessarily have to be outside or touching things or taking things apart. We can just read something and we feel engaged. So, ISTP's seem more "active", but they are also very different than J's. The ISTP's I've known have been big procrastinators about getting things done. One friend I knew needed to fix the subfloor in the hallway of his house. One day he ripped up the carpet and threw it away. 3 weeks later, he took out 1 section of the subfloor and replaced it. A month later he took out another small section of the subfloor (same hallway) and replaced it. About 2 more weeks later, he took out the last section and replaced it. About 6 months later he replaced the carpet over the new subfloor. When an ESTJ saw all of this, he said to the ISTP, "It took you 9 months to do a job that I could have done in 4 hours. Sup with that?"

    ISTP's can definitely get stuff done when they need to, but so can INTP's. But, in my experience, these 2 types are nothing like J's when it comes to "getting stuff done". J's tend to be "work first, play later". P's tend to be "play first, work later". If you have a job, you can't really do that, but that's what P's usually want or prefer.

    I am very much like the ISTP's I've known - everything except the differences between Se and Ne. Se wants to "experience" the outdoors, experience "things" and "stuff" and "how to do things" and "how things work". Ne, at least for me, is more observational, more far-fetched, more dreamy, head in the clouds. Se and Ne have similar senses of humor though. They find me funny and I find them funny.
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    In my experience, ISTPs are very much concrete thinkers and immerse themselves in the practical, physical world rather than the world of ideas and possibilities. My brother is an ISTP and we couldn't be more different.

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    ISTPs seem similar to me in the sense that we're physically inclined, realistic and not really so natural at the feelings thing.

    However, my S/N and P/J are really close, so I'm an ESTP half the time.
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    I agree with INTPness. My boyfriend, who I'm dating for three years now, is a walking chemistry and physics book. That's what I like about him, apart from his sensitive and outgoing side. It feels like... we both like exploring science and stuff, but I'm more of the abstract type and he's more concrete. I'm like theory's more and he likes calculating everything, and we both admire each other for our mindsets. What I lack he fills up with his knowledge and vice versa.

    Though sometimes I do feel he lacks Ne, and it can get annoying when I'm tired, but mostly we do fine I feel really close with him, but not on a Ne-level.

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    In socionics, ISTP-INTJ-ENTJ-INFP are so-called synergistic thinkers, result-dynamic-positive. Some sort of intellectual lightweight, able to hold his own in most wit battles, but with a general orientation geared towards real-world impact.
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    Those types are intellectual lightweights? News to me.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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