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  1. #111
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    It isn't just that it isn't depressing, it is beautiful

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    As we have established (if nothing else), what is utilitarian and what is not is an inherently subjective matter. In a nihilistic universe, 'truth' or 'reality' has no worth beyond its utilitarian value
    Sry, but afaik you're the one providing the logical fallacy here; As a nihilist, nothing has a worth per definition - also the "utilitarian value", not even life itself.
    You merely can set yourself goals which provide worth; For me, the goal is understanding, so the so-called "truth" gets a worth. For you - at least, it seems so -, the goal is functioning, so your "utilitarian value" gets it's worth.
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    I'd marry a theist, I suppose, if they weren't too overzealous about their faith. Though honestly my ideal partner would probably be a non-theist.
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    It isn't just that it isn't depressing, it is beautiful
    Well, it's really a little of column A and a little of column B, and the two are definitely connected.
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    It isn't just that it isn't depressing, it is beautiful
    See post #106; we just have different conceptions of 'beauty'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles View Post
    For me, the goal is understanding, so the so-called "truth" gets a worth.
    And that pursuit of 'truth' and understanding is what provides your utility; existentialism is essentially a coping mechanism through which people seek to maximize their personal utility in a nihilistic universe, not a description of the universe itself.

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    Since I am agnostic, I couldn't deal with a devout theist/religious member. There is no way of getting around this. The expectations of the relationship would eventually strain the bond, and one of us would be more dissatisified in the compromise. Often times relation's compromise may leave both parties dissatisified. The degree in a paticular parties discontent will breed bitterness, and/or distance between said person. In the end, we're having arguements about the food a child may, or can not eat in the kitchen at 3 o'clock in the morning. Religion is obviously a hot topic, and to overlook that cultural influence in a relationship is ignorant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    And that pursuit of 'truth' and understanding is what provides your utility; existentialism is essentially a coping mechanism through which people seek to maximize their personal utility in a nihilistic universe, not a description of the universe itself.
    That's a claim without foundation. Not everyone's ultimate goal is it to "maximize their personal utility".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles View Post
    That's a claim without foundation. Not everyone's ultimate goal is it to "maximize their personal utility".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism#Concepts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mephistopheles View Post
    That's a claim without foundation. Not everyone's ultimate goal is it to "maximize their personal utility".
    Outside of faith-based declarations, yes they do. What provides pleasure/pain differs in causation and intensity from person to person, but the overall goal is utility. Remember our lack of free will? The pursuit of pleasure and avoidance of pain is the cause/effect of our mental programming.

    I have no problem if you wish to hope otherwise-I certainly do.

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