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    Default Wiki project - entp description

    In an effort to better the quality of type descriptions, the idea came up to start a community project in which everybody who feels like gives his opinion on his type description.

    The goal is to get typeC's own type descriptions, which reflect the collected knowledge of its members. Being the world's leading website on this topic I think we have the competence to produce some good stuff.

    Regarding the entp description an intresting thing would be the entp I and E balance. Many entp's think that they could be intp's aswell because they are socially kinda introverted. Therefore it need to be pointed out that there is a difference between social extroversion and between that what mbti calls an extraverted perceiving function. I think this could help some people.

    Another intresting thing in particular I think maybe here's an opportunity for woman that are entp to bring more of them into the type description. I have the impression the entp description is kinda genderless, yet it's often female entp's who have pointed out in threads on the forum that they didnt identify with a thing from a description.

    Well first of all I think it would be a good idea to do it like the istp's and skip thru entp descriptions, marking what's good about them and what's not.

    Here's the istp model:

    Find entp descriptions on the internet (it's ok if you post some double, more opinions improve quality) and then mark them as follows:

    1. Bold things that are true for you
    2. strikethrough ([s] tags) things that are not true for you

    3. (optional) change to blue the things that you think are true "in general" for your type
    4. (optional) change to red the things that you think are false "in general" for your type or apply to all types equally
    5. (optional) change to green the things that are type-specific but not exclusive to one type (ex: NT traits)
    6. (optional) Feel free to add any general comments or things that the descriptions lack! Or post other istp descriptions you like.

    You can modify this system as you wish, just explain it to others. Later on someone needs to collect all the data gathered, I dunno if that will be me you know motivation is a fragile thing, that's why I want to leave it totally open to everyone to sum things up at some point in the thread and to modify the evaluation system as you want.

    The big goal in the end is to get a new entp description.

    Since we are all entps, if you feel like it, you may very well write a description yourself. I'ld still want others to evaluate this then too. Think we wont get around the evaluation thing

    Have fun !

    P.S.: here btw's the main discussion: TypeC wiki project
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    Ok obviously this will be harder than I thought. Havenbt found much to criticize really, probably because I suck at criticizing anyways.

    typelogic:

    "Clever" is the word that perhaps describes ENTPs best. The professor who juggles half a dozen ideas for research papers and grant proposals in his mind while giving a highly entertaining lecture on an abstruse subject is a classic example of the type. So is the stand-up comedian whose lampoons are not only funny, but incisively accurate.

    ENTPs are usually verbally as well as cerebrally quick, and generally love to argue--both for its own sake, and to show off their often-impressive skills. They tend to have a perverse sense of humor as well, and enjoy playing devil's advocate. They sometimes confuse, even inadvertently hurt, those who don't understand or accept the concept of argument as a sport.


    ENTPs are as innovative and ingenious at problem-solving as they are at verbal gymnastics; on occasion, however, they manage to outsmart themselves. This can take the form of getting found out at "sharp practice"--
    ENTPs have been known to cut corners without regard to the rules if it's expedient -- or simply in the collapse of an over-ambitious juggling act. Both at work and at home, ENTPs are very fond of "toys"--physical or intellectual, the more sophisticated the better. They tend to tire of these quickly, however, and move on to new ones. ( Sounds like we are little devils. Dont think an entp would break rules just as easy without looking at the consequences, plus I think the majority of entps doenst intend to do harm, but rather likes to play by the rules (if it's funny). The thing regarding toys I havent understood )

    ENTPs are basically optimists, but in spite of this (perhaps because of it?), they tend to become extremely petulant about small setbacks and inconveniences. (Major setbacks they tend to regard as challenges, and tackle with determin- ation.) ENTPs have little patience with those they consider wrongheaded or unintelligent, and show little restraint in demonstrating this. However, they do tend to be extremely genial, if not charming, when not being harassed by life in general.

    In terms of their relationships with others, ENTPs are capable of bonding very closely and, initially, suddenly, with their loved ones. Some appear to be deceptively offhand with their nearest and dearest; others are so demonstrative that they succeed in shocking co-workers who've only seen their professional side. ENTPs are also good at acquiring friends who are as clever and entertaining as they are. Aside from those two areas, ENTPs tend to be oblivious of the rest of humanity, except as an audience -- good, bad, or potential. (I stroke that through so we look better in public )
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    I think it'd be better to say what we think is true about us rather than our type. Because people tend to associate themselves with their types too much.
    Then you can just look at the data you get and see what's the general tendency.
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    "Sounds like we are little devils. Dont think an entp would break rules just as easy without looking at the consequences"

    Actually knowing the consequences and seeing the big picture would make you pretty good at breaking rules...

    I think each of us should contribute with something to the descriptions, because honestly the descriptions on the internet SUCK.

    For instance showing a correlation with the classical temperaments would be interesting. From what I've observed ENTPs tend to be quite sangvinic/melancholic. Also showing how types process information, I haven't seen much of that on the internet. And the correlation between information processing and the brain.

    Anyway, we should make some descriptions that FIT, a lot of descriptions describe the ideal behavior of types...and the circumstances reality offers are far from ideal.

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    It's actually very interesting, that ENTPs generally do not see themselves as extraverted as the other types.
    ENTPs are socially extraverted when they're excited. (when they're traveling, having fun, or talking/doing something interesting, or when they meet someone interesting)

    I sometimes feel like I'm a mobile wikipedia.

    Also, there's a high need for stimulation...this explains running away from boredom...and the extraversion...ENTPs don't get that stimulated from their inner world, they are dependent of interesting things happening outside of them...and here's where the E comes from. It's where they take that interesting from that differentiates ENTPs from ENFPs, because ENFPs are very interested in people...like wanting to know what's going on what they're doing etc, ENTPs aren't generally that interested in people...however I am interested in understanding why odd/weird people are like that, and where does the general belief that they're odd come from.

    And ENTPs seem more emotional/dramatic than other NTs, and take other people's feelings into consideration, I haven't seen the same thing in INTJs for example, they'll say pretty much anything...generally a lot of I TJs don't have the emotional barrier. But I may be wrong...

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    Good points from all of you, agree with them .

    I just had the thought, I read in socionics entps suck at maintaining the "right psychological distance" relationship-wise with people. Think that's an important thing missed to in many mbti descriptions. It means so much as if you hang around with the captain from your military squad in a bar you're the first one to treat him as a pal. So rank, standing and hierarchy doesnt mean a thing to entps.

    It tho can create problems in other situations, like when you are defending an idea someone else had and you found good, but actually you cant really defend it, because lets say you aint a woman
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    Fe seems something very interesting in ENTPs.

    I generally hate conflicts...well..unless I'm provoked, but I usually don't cause much conflict, since where there's conflict there's no fun. And fun is always more important than conflict for me.

    Thus the : "Why can't we all get along and do something interesting" attitude.

    I usually feel bad when I say inappropriate things and hurt others without wanting...and feel bad if I hurt other people's feelings. I take them into consideration.

    ENTJs and INTJs don't have a feeling borderline they don't cross.

    And INTPs I don't know.

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    Agree 100% with you and it's good to see others feel and think that way too, good you said it.

    I am always thinking why do all the descriptions say that entps like to argue, tho actually I am a very harmony seeking guy and actually really like the idea of why cant we all work together. Then one day I asked my gf if I am often provoking arguements and she said yes. Well she's a Fi-dom and seems sometimes like pretty easy to set up, yet I dont think its her fault. It came very surprising to me, still obviously it holds truth, yet makes no sense to me. Why doi I provoke tho I want harmony ?
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    Also people are often tempted to associate the 'platonic' idea of entp with the actual people. Some description confuse us with people with add. In my case I most certainly am not some kind of odd human spring.

    oh, one thing that might be interesting if people agree. I may explain it in more details later as I'm already late for a meeting (yes, i'm awesome at time management)
    I'm good at knowing how people work, what their directions and underlying dynamics are yet whenever I am concerned I tend to be quite oblivious to how people actually feel about me. It led me to perhaps over do things in the past, act like some kind of comedia\entertainer to reassure myself as to my capacity to hold other people's interest.
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    A good thing I can relate to again. I often noticed that by being the comedy / entertainer guy, I was tho that I had a billion friends, still always the one who was alone the most. I think it's mandatory to learn in life that you cant make things pleasant for everyone, at some points in life you have to take an opinion and to step on some peoples toes. A wisdom I learnt very lately in life
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