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  • I am Christian and very serious about it

    14 29.79%
  • I'm Christian...whateva

    1 2.13%
  • I was raised Christian and came to my senses

    13 27.66%
  • Christians freak me the funk out, stay away!

    4 8.51%
  • I'm down with the Buddha

    5 10.64%
  • I'm Muslim

    1 2.13%
  • Judaism is my thing

    3 6.38%
  • Athists are better lovers

    8 17.02%
  • Agnostics are fearless lovers

    12 25.53%
  • Dude, what the hell, you forgot mine!

    5 10.64%
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  1. #171
    The Memes Justify the End EcK's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    There was one. If you look back to the third page, Nerdgirl responded and said she's a Christian ENTP.
    Yeah, but you can't really trust anything crazy people say now, can you.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Do you believe there's nobody in Argentina named Robert because you haven't met him?
    With arguments like that you could argue the case for winged galaxy sized bees, living poo, zombies, unicorns, that my gardener is a triceratops, that ... if all your points do is to say that yes there's always a chance, in a perfect, infinite multiverse with an infinity of different physical properties that whatever you can think of will exist, then yep, it works.

    When your arguments and beliefs about the universe defy all peer reviewable(not necessarily scientists, just something that can be checked) observations, why do you think it's the universe which's wrong. Yet science and reason is always, somehow, the arrogant one, for daring not agreeing with unsubstanciated delusions. If you need a dad-in-the-sky then of course i'll never treat you as an adult.

    who told them something which you don't know?
    So.. hearing voices in your head then ?
    Or are you just arguing the case for all the saint and strait jacket wearing lunatics out there
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
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    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    With arguments like that you could argue the case for winged galaxy sized bees, living poo, zombies, unicorns, that my gardener is a triceratops, that ... if all your points do is to say that yes there's always a chance, in a perfect, infinite multiverse with an infinity of different physical properties that whatever you can think of will exist, then yep, it works.
    Nobody sane claims to know living poo, winged galaxy sized bees, unicorns, etc. If you're going to seriously try to claim that over a billion people are actually insane, you'd better get working on it.

    When your arguments and beliefs about the universe defy all peer reviewable(not necessarily scientists, just something that can be checked) observations, why do you think it's the universe which's wrong.
    Do you really think I care who says what? Really?


    So.. hearing voices in your head then ?
    Or are you just arguing the case for all the saint and strait jacket wearing lunatics out there
    Since you know what everybody else has experienced better than they do, you tell me what I'm hearing.
    You lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Matrix 1 was a real great "Christian-laden" story. A lot of allegory line up with the basic Christian philosophy.

    Matrix 2 & 3 began to deviate from that.
    The focus of 2 was "cause and effect / casuality / determinism."
    The focus of 3 was essentially "balance/cycles."

    I can see why a Christian might not be able to identify as much with 2 and 3, although conceptually I very much liked all the movies.

    Well, my dissatisfactions with #2 & #3 did center around (a) Keanu Reeve's crappy acting ability and (b) in #3, the cut-and-dried closure/cut-scenes of the story, plus the cheesy Ewok "OMG we're all saved let's gush" ending.

    let's face it, Christianity is linear in how the story is typically told today by the conservatives. There is a beginning, there is an ending, and everything is about following the through-line and reaching the happy ending. Balance? there is no balance. The world was good and supposed to be that way; then the world turned bad, and we have to restore the world to good.

    The Matrix is far more eastern, with its overriding deterministic elements, the continual recycling/rebirth concept, and the need for good and evil to balance since they are just part of the same whole.... although I still think it merges those elements with Christian-style elements such as sacrifice / giving up control / accepting one's fate out of faith, etc. There were still many things i could identify with, Christianity-wise, in the latter two.
    What's ironic is that the Christian elements of the Matrix were specifically Gnostic Christian elements - something the various churches have frowned upon since the fourth century AD. The only aspect that really corresponds to modern Christianity is the whole "dying and coming back" thing, but that really doesn't, after all, since Jesus willingly went to Calvary, while Neo got unlucky.

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    I love this thread and it is going to have my babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    What's ironic is that the Christian elements of the Matrix were specifically Gnostic Christian elements - something the various churches have frowned upon since the fourth century AD. The only aspect that really corresponds to modern Christianity is the whole "dying and coming back" thing, but that really doesn't, after all, since Jesus willingly went to Calvary, while Neo got unlucky.
    While I typically agree with that (and it's one reason why I don't have much issue with it, because I'm probably more gnostic in my leanings), there's a lot of pragmatic rubber-meets-road stuff in there. If there is anything evangelicals love, it is pithy, individual bits of concrete symbolism, so you get one guy telling Neo that he's his own "personal Jesus Christ," you get someone named Trinity bringing "Jesus" back to life, you get what amounts to demons (agents) body-hopping, the speeches about how the world is an illusion and there is a deeper reality, about how the world is against the Elect (who happen to be anchored in Zion) because they are of the world but it's not their fault... they're just blind... comments about "walking the walk and talking the talk," etc. The list is kind of endless, but it's actually all stuff I have heard within evangelical circles in sermons and conferences during my time there. So the movie sort of swiped a lot of language used in that modern Christian circle, which let it resonate with that group.

    I can't begin to tell you how many of the evangelical (not fundie, but evangelical + more liberal) churches have used this movie in study group settings. It was hip AND resonant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Nobody sane claims to know living poo, winged galaxy sized bees, unicorns, etc. If you're going to seriously try to claim that over a billion people are actually insane, you'd better get working on it.
    Argumentum ad populum? Really?

    Do you really think I care who says what? Really?
    Didn't you just say this:

    Do you consider it absurd that a person may know somebody you don't, who told them something which you don't know?
    earlier? How about this parallel question: do you consider it absurd that a person may know something you don't, that explains something that you don't understand?

    Since you know what everybody else has experienced better than they do, you tell me what I'm hearing.
    How the hell is he supposed to do that? No one's arguing over whether or not you're hearing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Do you believe there's nobody in Argentina named Robert because you haven't met him?
    No, because I've met people named Robert and know it's a common name amongst native English speakers. Even though I've never been to Argentina, I have no reason to believe it doesn't exist: there's millions of pictures, articles, books, and movies made in and about Argentina. I've never met anything close to God and I have no reason to believe God exists. There's no empirical evidence for his existence and there isn't any a priori reasons to believe in his existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    While I typically agree with that (and it's one reason why I don't have much issue with it, because I'm probably more gnostic in my leanings), there's a lot of pragmatic rubber-meets-road stuff in there. If there is anything evangelicals love, it is pithy, individual bits of concrete symbolism, so you get one guy telling Neo that he's his own "personal Jesus Christ," you get someone named Trinity bringing "Jesus" back to life, you get what amounts to demons (agents) body-hopping, the speeches about how the world is an illusion and there is a deeper reality, about how the world is against the Elect (who happen to be anchored in Zion) because they are of the world but it's not their fault... they're just blind... comments about "walking the walk and talking the talk," etc. The list is kind of endless, but it's actually all stuff I have heard within evangelical circles in sermons and conferences during my time there. So the movie sort of swiped a lot of language used in that modern Christian circle, which let it resonate with that group.
    Ah, yes. The same reasoning that takes Jesus from saying "if you want to enter the Kingdom, sell all your possessions, give the proceeds to the poor, and follow Me" to meaning that Jesus has no problem with rich people, and that God materially rewards the faithful on Earth. Riiiiiiiiight.

    Essentially, the logic goes something like this - "I'm a Christian. I like X. Christians like Christian things. Therefore, X is Christian."

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Nobody sane claims to know living poo, winged galaxy sized bees, unicorns, etc. If you're going to seriously try to claim that over a billion people are actually insane, you'd better get working on it.
    Seriously? Is this the best you can do. The human mind is very susceptible to delusion.

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