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  • I am Christian and very serious about it

    14 29.79%
  • I'm Christian...whateva

    1 2.13%
  • I was raised Christian and came to my senses

    13 27.66%
  • Christians freak me the funk out, stay away!

    4 8.51%
  • I'm down with the Buddha

    5 10.64%
  • I'm Muslim

    1 2.13%
  • Judaism is my thing

    3 6.38%
  • Athists are better lovers

    8 17.02%
  • Agnostics are fearless lovers

    12 25.53%
  • Dude, what the hell, you forgot mine!

    5 10.64%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    No, he wasn't. My parents were born in the Soviet Union so I have on pretty good authority that, while Lenin was definitely idealized and respected, he was never assigned any supernatural abilities or any other traits that would portray him as anything but an intelligent and well-meaning leader.
    Yes, but the concept of God is less about supernatural ability and more about ultimate authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    You're not getting it. It's not the explanation that satisfies me. It is God himself.
    Are you at least able to see why I have to consider that utterly insane?

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    Either that or I'm delusional. In which case you shouldn't be baffled by anything i say or do.
    I might come back to you on that one.

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    I believe God gave me a second pair of glasses. But, because I was raised by parents with these same glasses it's hard to determine at which point I saw things through my own eyes and not theirs.
    Fascinating how much nuture can do. Perhaps I should invent my own religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    First of all, I do believe in hobbits and I have every intention to turn into one.
    I understand that lying is forbidden.

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    There's no reason why God's use of a certain medium for communication would render all other uses of the medium authoritative. It is not the medium that is authoritative it is the use of the medium by God. Tolkien was not God nor was he divinely inspired by God.
    How do you know that the Bible was written or inspired by god and 'The Lord of the Rings' was not written by real Hobbits? Or, if you do indeed believe in Hobbits, why do you make it sound as though Tolkien, an obvious human being, wrote it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Well I am fantasizing about you every night
    After $4 billion dollars, my Entropie Mind-Control Brain Wave Machine (tm) is finally working!

    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    You imagined something that wasn't there.
    That just happened to coincide with where the woman died on the floor? A woman I never knew in life or where she died. Seriously?

    As a small child I once woke up from sleep and saw a large dog/wolf lying on the wooden chest in the hallway. I thought I was dreaming, but every time I sat up in bed, my eyes met his and he bared his teeth. The next morning, I got up the courage to venture from my room, found the blankets on the chest mashed down by something heavy and long coarse hairs like that of a wolf. Again, I'm hardly crazy. I touched the hair myself and felt an animal warmth rising from the blankets. I don't go looking for this stuff to happen. I don't NEED that kind of freak out.

    I would like, very much, to see Perch go sleep in the most haunted house in America. Truly, I would. I want to see what happens and I want to hear his explanations. It would be an interesting experiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    I guess I see free will more like a theoretical thing.

    However yes, just because you are not free, it does not necessarily mean that you do not have a free will.
    But in the same time, just because you decided something freely, it doesn't mean that your decision couldn't have been conditioned unconsciously.
    Suggestion for example. It doesn't impose you do to something, but it shows that it would be more appealing and rewarding that you decide a certain thing.
    I go buy a can of coke. I decided to buy a can of coke. Yet 10 days ago, I saw a commercial that associated coke with pleasure, excitement etc. The connection stayed in my mind. I forgot about the commercial.
    Of course, I was my own decision to buy the coke, but was it free?

    Ask a person what he wants? Is he going to tell you some individual values that he defined himself? Or is he likely to want what everybody wants.
    I've noticed a lot of people, after they finish highschool, go study and specialize in things that their parents do. (or the opposite, if they've got a rebel thing going on) My dad is a cop I want to be a cop. My dad is a cop I want to be a lawyer.
    It's his free will. But is in not conditioned by many factors?

    A person develops some kind of social anxiety. He wants to do things that he would normally do, go out with people etc, but fears his intense anxiety and becomes increasingly avoidant. Was it his free will that made him decide to become avoidant?

    However, just because free will is limited, it does not necessarily mean that it does not exist. It's just limited and conditioned.
    We perceive our will as being free, but is it free?

    I don't know, I've grown to hate this term of "free will" as I have oftenly heard it in politics: "they must not strip us of our free will" "our free will is what differentiates us from...". When in fact is BS.

    In a way, we are free, but I fail to understand our freedom.
    Unfortunately, I agree with you - in a sense.
    I'll discover more tomorrow, I'll head for rest in my d(h)ead world.
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    Nic,

    1) Insane is as insane does.

    2) I believe in the use of reason and maintaining a reasonable faith. But, I do not believe in reasoning one's way to God. You'll have to talk to Peguy about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    2) I believe in the use of reason and maintaining a reasonable faith. But, I do not believe in reasoning one's way to God.
    You know how I have to interpret this, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    You know how I have to interpret this, right?
    Does it matter how you interpret?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino View Post
    That just happened to coincide with where the woman died on the floor? A woman I never knew in life or where she died. Seriously?

    As a small child I once woke up from sleep and saw a large dog/wolf lying on the wooden chest in the hallway. I thought I was dreaming, but every time I sat up in bed, my eyes met his and he bared his teeth. The next morning, I got up the courage to venture from my room, found the blankets on the chest mashed down by something heavy and long coarse hairs like that of a wolf. Again, I'm hardly crazy. I touched the hair myself and felt an animal warmth rising from the blankets. I don't go looking for this stuff to happen. I don't NEED that kind of freak out.

    I would like, very much, to see Perch go sleep in the most haunted house in America. Truly, I would. I want to see what happens and I want to hear his explanations. It would be an interesting experiment.
    You perceive a pattern to exist...therefore it exists? Do you trust your perceptions that much? We all have to rely on our perceptions to some extent, but recognizing the limit of our perceptions is also important. Our perceptions lie to us all the time..think of all those optical illusion games. Our perceptions are limited, flawed, and ultimately useless at getting at the real truth. So while the pseudo truth is important..it's also very limited.

    You're not crazy..you just trust your perceptions a lot more than (I think) is wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Does it matter how you interpret?
    A great deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkenya View Post
    You perceive a pattern to exist...therefore it exists? Do you trust your perceptions that much? We all have to rely on our perceptions to some extent, but recognizing the limit of our perceptions is also important. Our perceptions lie to us all the time..think of all those optical illusion games. Our perceptions are limited, flawed, and ultimately useless at getting at the real truth. So while the pseudo truth is important..it's also very limited.
    I understand the ability of human beings to psyche themselves in and out of things that require only a rational explanation to set them right, and believe me, I'm *constantly* trying to find a rational explanation for things because I feel calmer when I know the truth or the facts, if you will. I refuse to go into hysteria-induced frenzies. I want a REASON, and not "and then magic occurs" because that just sets me off even more. What little Ti I possess demands some manner of rational explanation for what I'm seeing, hearing, experiencing. When I get down through the layers and nothing can explain it except fairies, that makes me really unhappy.

    When people start blaming the weather on God, like in the case of hurricane Katrina, that makes me want to crawl out of my skin because it just sounds so disconnected and fearful. Saying God is punishing people through this or that means makes my blood freeze. I don't assume to speak for God or to predict his ways. If God exists, and I believe very much that he does, how would I, as small as I am, be able to speak for him and say "God is mad at you and ran you over with a hurricane." Hurricanes are a natural part of the earth's cooling cycle, and New Orleans lies at a very VERY vulnerable place. It's not even remotely out of the realm of reason that the city would get smacked and devastated by a large storm.

    You're not crazy..you just trust your perceptions a lot more than (I think) is wise.
    Which is why I dragged my non-religious (at the time) mother over to look at it and she looked very concerned, not by me, but what she herself was seeing. I get more than one set of eyes on something if I can't explain it. If they can't explain it either, I try to find someone who can. If no one can, I either investigate or I flee from it because it bothers me too much.
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