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    Default NT values?

    I value the truth first and foremost. As without this I cant know who I am or what I want from life. Out of this comes my value of honesty, first and foremost with myself and secondly with others. Without this I would not be able to achieve neither my inner goals nor be able to correspond with others to a satisfactory degree.

    Secondly, I value autonomy, as this is what I need to guard my inner life as this is what I need in order to freely pursue my primary value.

    Thirdly competence, as this is means to the end of securing my autonomy, that is what I need to stand firmly on my feet.

    My Feeling works best after Thinking. Thus, I come to value these maxims after in my analysis I have deemed them worthwhile. For this reason I am usually able to explain why I value the above. This does not take away from the Feeling aspect itself, but only means that the Feeling requires Thinking for legitimation. I cannot accept any given entity as my personal values unless it would be approved by impersonal analysis. That, I believe is how the T value system is typically built.

    What about the rest of you?

    Feel free to contribute in any way you could think of on the subject of NT values.
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    Truth--which includes self honesty.

    Independence--the concept of self reliance. That you take full responsibility for your own actions.

    Fair play--that you know the world will never be a fair place, but that isn't going to stop me from trying to level the score, anyway.

    Something perhaps not so NT: Art and Beauty. It's first nature to me.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    You've pretty much got the ordering right for me, too. But justice is quite high up as well.

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    I'd also say truth and honesty but more in the sense of integrity than the traditional "always telling the truth" sense that people usually mean honesty. I've often found that integrity demands telling the odd lie, whilst always telling the truth can sometimes betray greater principles and make me feel as though I've compromised my integrity in order to self-indulgently tell the truth to make myself feel more righteous.

    In people I value constancy, people with whom you know where you stand, who don't blow hot and cold or play head games, people who are direct and clear, and who keep their word. And trust. But somebody doesn't need to be always honest in order for me to trust them... it's not so much a person's actions, words or whatever that I need to be able to trust, but more their "position" with regard to me. Not sure if that makes any sense, but... *shrug*... it doesn't necessarily matter to me if I see a person capable of lying, stealing etc, that doesn't necessarily prevent me from being able to feel I can trust them.
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    Great post.
    I am just curious about how the NT values play out at individual level when affected by other beliefs, for example Religion?
    Would a Christians NT values differ from an agnostic or even a muslim? Can all these NT values be generalized? How do they differ intra INTP circle?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Great post.
    I am just curious about how the NT values play out at individual level when affected by other beliefs, for example Religion?
    Would a Christians NT values differ from an agnostic or even a muslim? Can all these NT values be generalized? How do they differ intra INTP circle?

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    Interesting question, Butterfly!

    I'm a free-thinker myself, although I was educated in a convent school. Let's see if we have sufficient NTs/INTPs responding to get a general idea.

    My guess is no. INTPs, especially, value truth very highly. That has been the common theme so far, amongst all who responded. (note: truth not just in the abstract sense, but also in the sense of honesty/integrity etc)
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    Interesting question, Butterfly!

    I'm a free-thinker myself, although I was educated in a convent school. Let's see if we have sufficient NTs/INTPs responding to get a general idea.

    My guess is no. INTPs, especially, value truth very highly. That has been the common theme so far, amongst all who responded. (note: truth not just in the abstract sense, but also in the sense of honesty/integrity etc)
    Thanks Elfinchilde

    Thats what I wanted to get at....that each persons "Truth" is different because its affected by other beliefs. How is the NTs universal truth standardized???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Thats what I wanted to get at....that each persons "Truth" is different because its affected by other beliefs. How is the NTs universal truth standardized???
    i think it may be more accurate to say that NTs search for a universal truth; rather than that our truths are standardised...

    (intp digression: i see from your spelling that you're american. )
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    (INTJ Christian speaking here)

    1. Truth (although what that means more explicitly, do I really know?)
    2. I value satiating my knowledge-hunger. I don't know if this is really a value, per se, but I suppose I value the opportunity to learn? Is this a byproduct of valuing autonomy?
    3. I value when people are their own people. Because friends are better friends when you are not their whole world.
    4. (more Christian-influenced values) Defaulting into respect for everyone until they give me a solid reason to not respect them, being slow to anger, honesty, putting others before yourself (in theory... in reality my actions show otherwise) and I really like the idea of living for today and not worrying about tomorrow's problems that you can't do anything about in the present. I have trouble following through with that.
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    Integrity, autonomy, patience, forgiveness, humility, wisdom.

    Great thread.

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