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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    That's the perspective I would choose in real life, but it wasn't the one from which Nicodemus was making his argument. From his perspective, if something is wrong, it's wrong for the state as well as the individual. The social contract wasn't included in the assumptions he was working from. In fact, I doubt he was making a serious argument... just trying to take the perspective as far as possible to see how others responded. The reason it took so long to get to this point, is that you didn't challenge the underlying assumptions, but kept dealing with one point at a time as it came up, without seeing where he was leading you.
    Or he just made a dumb statement that for whatever reason, he felt like he needed to defend. See:


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    ^ my conclusion as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Or he just made a dumb statement that for whatever reason, he felt like he needed to defend.
    Wrong. But I see there is no need for me to defend it myself. Other people have recognized it as well.

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    Okay I'll try tackling this The Luna TiNeFi way...

    What was Nicodemus's proposition, and how is it a tautology? (Ti fuel)

    Furthermore, this situation is only a bit hypocritical because Kaczynski killed members of society before society went and implemented force on him. It's a little bit like 'finger for an eye,' but some sort of action needs to be taken to keep people devoid of human decency from doing that kind of stuff. My idea is an island to put all the crazies do-wrongers at and keep us safe and let them figure out how to have a happy life. (My attempt at Ne-ing this, but it's been kind of malfunctioning lately :P )

    And also, we should respect life because we tend to value our own lives. Without at least this basic respect, humanity is doomed. (simplistic Fi is simplistic)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Well, it's actually a contaminated sample. There's an NF in it.
    OK, you get to be an honorary NT and continue to be part of this example... for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Or he just made a dumb statement that for whatever reason, he felt like he needed to defend. See:
    Basically, yes, you got trolled. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Basically, yes, you got trolled. LOL.
    It was not dumb and it was very defendable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    It was not dumb and it was very defendable.
    No, it wasn't dumb or indefensible... in fact, it was a pretty clever perspective to take, because it was similar to the Unabomber's own perspective. From his own perspective, you can't fault him for his actions. Which does raise interesting questions.

    That doesn't mean there was no element of trolling in it, though it was insightful. The best ones are often intelligent. He just chose to see it as dumb because it wasn't applicable to reality as it exists for most people.

    I really meant to refer to the picture of the troll face, and his assumption that he had been trolled.

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    I like you.

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    Continually dissect various logical inconsistencies from the original argument until you reach the point at which you can reduce it to nothing more than a hollow shell, then proceed to deliver the argumentation killing blow of a semantics stalemate.

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