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    Default What's the best way of deciding between INTJ and ENTJ?

    After a few months research, I've decided to throw SJ out the window. I find it highly unlikely. So, I'm no longer considering ESTJ (and the other SJs were never even a real consideration). I very, very rarely if ever score as Perceiving over Judging; it's nearly always vice versa. But I'm so often borderline Extravert/Introvert. I'm trying to make some distinctions between INTJ and ENTJ so I can decide which I am most like. Does anyone have any suggestions? I want to try and understand each type's mindset in a variety of different situations ranging from debate, argument and philosophising to planning a war or major string of battles; from love, sex and relationships to getting a job or making a career for oneself.

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    A simple way I try to distinguish between ENTJ's and INTJ's is to determine whether they focus more toward a goal or toward a plan. Both types are goal oriented planners, but I find INTJ's want to flesh out more details of their plan before beginning and are less likely to deviate from their plan once they've started (although they will come up with a ton of contingency plans to go with it). ENTJ's focus more on the goal and are much quicker to change details of their plan when they see it isn't working. ENTJ's keep their focus more on the goal than the plan. Also ENTJ's seem compelled to execute their plans themselves, while INTJ's would be content to have someone else execute their plan assuming they could find a person that they would trust to do it.

    Another criteria is how people affect your energy level. Does being around a lot of people drain you over time or energize you?
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    I tend to be more absorbed in living the idea in my head, mostly because I don't have the social connections or the practical skills to make my ideas real. I'm too impatient with detail work.

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    Agree with The Liquid Laser (how may I abbreviate your nick, if possible? Laser? or TLL? or just in full?).

    Another distinction between the two: INTJs seek to impose control only on their internal world. Whilst they may argue about things and all, very rarely will they seek to overtly control others, preferring instead to control their own minds, thoughts and behaviours.

    ENTJs, on the other hand, tend to be machiavellians. They seek to impose their way of thinking on others, very often.

    So in an argument with the two types, an INTJ is likely to go: "This is my opinion, and I'm right. But since we can't come to a conclusion, let's agree to disagree."

    Whereas an ENTJ is likely to go: "This is my opinion, I'm right." And will try all means and ways to make the opposing side agree with him/her. They reach out to others, and actively try to influence their behaviour. An INTJ is not likely to be bothered to do so.

    Note: the above are stereotypical. After a while, as one ages, you'll find that behaviour moderates, and one's not quite so extreme anymore. Mature people of any type would have learnt to behave in more appropriate manners with respect to social settings, and with regards to self expectations/management. Which is a good thing.
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    Do they make the acid quip out loud, or do they just fix you with an icy stare and think it, visibly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Do they make the acid quip out loud, or do they just fix you with an icy stare and think it, visibly?
    They visibly think it, but sometimes, unwittingly, they speak it out, such is the strength of their thoughts, unbeknownst at times even to themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    After a few months research, I've decided to throw SJ out the window. I find it highly unlikely. So, I'm no longer considering ESTJ (and the other SJs were never even a real consideration). I very, very rarely if ever score as Perceiving over Judging; it's nearly always vice versa. But I'm so often borderline Extravert/Introvert. I'm trying to make some distinctions between INTJ and ENTJ so I can decide which I am most like. Does anyone have any suggestions? I want to try and understand each type's mindset in a variety of different situations ranging from debate, argument and philosophizing to planning a war or major string of battles; from love, sex and relationships to getting a job or making a career for oneself.
    I knew an ENTJ who really came on strong, who I likened to a steamroller.

    ENTJs are more likely to be found commanding people, administrating something, some position of leadership.

    Not that INTJs can't be leaders, but it's not typically their way of life.

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    Just by your avatars, I would think you're more E than I.

    There was an E vs I thread around here somewhere that discussed the intricate differences. It's not all about who talks more. It has more to do with where you direct your thoughts and energy. I don't quite have the concept under my belt in a nice concise description yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    Another distinction between the two: INTJs seek to impose control only on their internal world. Whilst they may argue about things and all, very rarely will they seek to overtly control others, preferring instead to control their own minds, thoughts and behaviours.

    ENTJs, on the other hand, tend to be Machiavellians. They seek to impose their way of thinking on others, very often.

    So in an argument with the two types, an INTJ is likely to go: "This is my opinion, and I'm right. But since we can't come to a conclusion, let's agree to disagree."
    Yes, I like the idea of directing others to realize the more practical aspects of my ideas when they come to me, but I'm just not very confident in dealing with people, nor do I even have the social connections or resources to help realize my conceptions.

    Ideally, however, to realize my visions, it's better to treat people like things, and I mean this in the nicest way possible. The reality is that if people were drones, my ideas could be realized much more easily, because people would do exactly as I say.

    The ENTJ, though, is much more confident in dealing more directly with others when implementing their vision. I tend to look at the difference between an ENTJ and INTJ as the difference between the director and the screenwriter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Yes, I like the idea of directing others to realize the more practical aspects of my ideas when they come to me, but I'm just not very confident in dealing with people, nor do I even have the social connections or resources to help realize my conceptions.

    Ideally, however, to realize my visions, it's better to treat people like things, and I mean this in the nicest way possible. The reality is that if people were drones, my ideas could be realized much more easily, because people would do exactly as I say.
    The ENTJ, though, is much more confident in dealing more directly with others when implementing their vision. I tend to look at the difference between an ENTJ and INTJ as the difference between the director and the screenwriter.
    Ladies and gentlemen, there we have it, a classic INTJ.

    PS: I mean it sincerely. I'm beginning to like INTJs more and more. They are just so...practical, for want of a better word.
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    The trouble is, however, I haven't been able to come up with any new serious ideas lately. When that happens, I tend to bounce nonsensical, non-serious, and superficial ideas out into the world -- I start behaving like an ENTP.

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