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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    You ask yourself far too many questions. How many threads like this have you started on several forums? Why don't you just type yourself xxTJ?
    Maybe he's a P -- so indecisive about his type!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    You ask yourself far too many questions. How many threads like this have you started on several forums? Why don't you just type yourself xxTJ?
    He wants to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    A simple way I try to distinguish between ENTJ's and INTJ's is to determine whether they focus more toward a goal or toward a plan. Both types are goal oriented planners, but I find INTJ's want to flesh out more details of their plan before beginning and are less likely to deviate from their plan once they've started (although they will come up with a ton of contingency plans to go with it). ENTJ's focus more on the goal and are much quicker to change details of their plan when they see it isn't working. ENTJ's keep their focus more on the goal than the plan. Also ENTJ's seem compelled to execute their plans themselves, while INTJ's would be content to have someone else execute their plan assuming they could find a person that they would trust to do it.

    Another criteria is how people affect your energy level. Does being around a lot of people drain you over time or energize you?
    Going into more detail on the idea in a slightly different direction...


    ENTJ's in my life tend to NEED lots of social interaction. They can't go without it, and they follow the biggest social influences within their environment. This excess interaction tends to bloat their intellectual confidence due to most people who seek out lots of social interaction are not NT's. They usually become good people to know (from a power sense) to advance within the environment, regardless of their given skill set.

    INTJ's in my life have the ability to put on a good social face if need be, so it can be hard to tell that they are not extroverted. However, you can tell if you're around them long enough because they really don't need it, they can just be good at it to reach their predetermined goal. They tend to keep their arrogance to themselves, and don't reveal it in a way that is obvious if you're not looking for it. They are only good people to know (from a power sense) if you have the same goals of social interaction.

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    My husband was ENTJ - and the thing that others observed was that we both saw the big picture and had good planning/goal setting skills but that when it came to execution the ENTJ had to be in charge and govern the speed. I am more happy to follow IF the leader is competent. I have a bit more of a detail and contingency plan focus - and a more critical eye for why something may or may not work - so I was an "irritating blessing" when it came to debugging and reworking a plan that was proving less than workable. He was glad I could spot the problem, but hated that he hadn't seen it first. He was happy to get some of my projects off the ground too, or coach me through the more extraverted behaviour a task may have required. I tend to view plans with caution - a lets see approach, whereas he was generally totally convinced that his plans were spot on. Any self doubt was very well hidden!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Another criteria is how people affect your energy level. Does being around a lot of people drain you over time or energize you?
    It tends to energise me. In fact, it actually takes me quite a while to get fully pumped up enough for social interactions, so I need quite a lot of time to socialise and interact. I can go hours thinking "what the hell; I'm clearly an introvert, because I'm simply not feeling the life of this party", without realising that nothing's happening because I'm not making it happen. I'm a force of nature, so when those around me are too gentle, I go along with it and I become almost completely passive and energiless. I'd say social interactions charge me, definitely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I'm too impatient with detail work.
    Doesn't this contradict what Laser said about INTJs being more detail orientated?

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    How old are you?
    Eighteen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    You ask yourself far too many questions. How many threads like this have you started on several forums? Why don't you just type yourself xxTJ?
    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    He wants to know.
    Basically, Maverick, it's like a hobby, pinning myself down in a system. Everyone likes to do it. And because I'm pretty young, I do it a lot more. It's more entertaining for me. But I want to settle on something; I don't want to keep changing. And if I find something wrong with something, I'll want to correct it.

    The reason I won't just type myself as xxTJ is because I know I'm not an ISTJ, and as I said, I'm not an ESTJ, so I can only be an INTJ or an ENTJ. And I may as well be certain as to which type I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    It tends to energise me. In fact, it actually takes me quite a while to get fully pumped up enough for social interactions, so I need quite a lot of time to socialise and interact. I can go hours thinking "what the hell; I'm clearly an introvert, because I'm simply not feeling the life of this party", without realising that nothing's happening because I'm not making it happen. I'm a force of nature, so when those around me are too gentle, I go along with it and I become almost completely passive and energiless. I'd say social interactions charge me, definitely.
    You sound like an ENTJ to me. Also as INTJMom has said, you seem to pick avatars that reflect an ENTJ personality.

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    Agree with The Liquid Laser (how may I abbreviate your nick, if possible? Laser? or TLL? or just in full?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    The reason I won't just type myself as xxTJ is because I know I'm not an ISTJ, and as I said, I'm not an ESTJ, so I can only be an INTJ or an ENTJ. And I may as well be certain as to which type I am.
    The problem lies in the adherence to the assumption made by the MBTT that people must necessarily show a preference for a behavior on each of the 4 dimensions. In reality, research shows most people are average on them. The inability you have of setting on a type is due to the inherent weaknesses of the typing system. You are simply experiencing its deeper contradictions and failings.

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    I had the same problem deciding between ENTJ and INTJ. What settled it for me was that I am shy, which is different from introversion. Now that I'm older - I'm 28 - I've worked through a lot of my shyness and can be myself more in public. Also, I'm not an extreme extravert. I'd say around 60-70%. Once I decided on ENTJ, the pieces fell into place. My impartience for results, my aggressiveness with argumentation, just aren't found in the INTJs I've communicated with. I also began to realize how energetic and hyper I am (and come across as to other people), and how much it bothers me to sit still all day at my job because it causes me to feel understimulated and restless, and how easily lonely I get when left alone for a few hours...my advice is to not look at extreme ends of the spectrum or stereotypes, but rather at the fundamental building blocks of types and traits.

    I also found the function descriptions helpful, isolating them from type. Once I really looked at the differences between Te and Ni, I realized that I use Te more.

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    I know this is a dead thread, but I joined this forum to post on this.

    What you have to realize is that the 'entj' way of doing things doesn't work with everyone. Tbh, I would classify myself as an INTJ but I understand that with different people you have to use different strategies. Sometimes we have to be extraverted, sometimes we have to be dull, etc..

    And I think the whole "all executives" are ENTJ's is complete bullshit. Most of the executives I know are like homer simpson. When I was working in corporate america I let go of the NT bit and just relaxed and enjoyed. When you're on your own doing your own business you have to take on a different persona because you can't leave it up to chance.

    Carl Icahn has seen more CEO's come and go then anyone, watch this talk he gives

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcWg4897yIM

    For every ENTJ partner at McKinsey there's at least 200 laid back CEO's of fortune 1000 companies that got in the way Carl Icahn says

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormrider View Post
    I know this is a dead thread, but I joined this forum to post on this.

    What you have to realize is that the 'entj' way of doing things doesn't work with everyone. Tbh, I would classify myself as an INTJ but I understand that with different people you have to use different strategies. Sometimes we have to be extraverted, sometimes we have to be dull, etc..

    And I think the whole "all executives" are ENTJ's is complete bullshit. Most of the executives I know are like homer simpson. When I was working in corporate america I let go of the NT bit and just relaxed and enjoyed. When you're on your own doing your own business you have to take on a different persona because you can't leave it up to chance.

    Carl Icahn has seen more CEO's come and go then anyone, watch this talk he gives

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcWg4897yIM

    For every ENTJ partner at McKinsey there's at least 200 laid back CEO's of fortune 1000 companies that got in the way Carl Icahn says
    I don't have my computer speakers with me - and won't for a while - but I really want to see what Icahn says in this video. Can someone outline the main bullet points of his speech?
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