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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    The trouble is, however, I haven't been able to come up with any new serious ideas lately. When that happens, I tend to bounce nonsensical, non-serious, and superficial ideas out into the world -- I start behaving like an ENTP.
    ENTP. that means my sister, aelan.

    on the other hand though, INTJs tend to be too hard on themselves (yea, i'm certainly one to speak, guilty of the same :rolli--why do you always need to be serious?

    what's wrong with lightening up once in a while? Nonsense, after all, is the brain's way of taking a break. of rest and rejuvenation.

    And ofttimes, it is in play that the best ideas come. Because then, the mind is not regimented. it makes connections where none existed before.

    INTPs excel at play. They thrive on it.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    As an NT, I also marvel wordplay.

    Is the way I described like how your sister is? (Aelan is really your sister?)

    And I'm actually rarely serious about reality. In fact, the way I come up with ideas in the first place is by not taking things seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    As an NT, I also marvel wordplay.

    Is the way I described like how your sister is? (Aelan is really your sister?)

    And I'm actually rarely serious about reality. In fact, the way I come up with ideas in the first place is by not taking things seriously.
    Yes. Aelan, that macadamia, is my real life sister. :rolli: my TWIN sister. :rolli: :rolli:

    yes, that's like how she's like. Akin to a hyper hammie on amphetamines, or something. She just won't leave me alone at times. It's like, "*poke poke prod prod* I need attention, I need an audience!" She'd feed me odd ideas, watch my intp mind process them, then blurb out the ideas to her, and she gets all and i get the same, and then, we stop traffic.

    it's the positive INTP-ENTP feedback loop. Hilarious when on a roll.

    Edit: about not taking things seriously. humor is the best defence in life.
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    ...
    So in an argument with the two types, an INTJ is likely to go: "This is my opinion, and I'm right. But since we can't come to a conclusion, let's agree to disagree."
    ...
    Hmmm...
    Makes me wonder why BlueWing said I wasn't behaving in an INTJ manner when I refused to enter into a debate with him.

    Because what you said certainly describes me.


    Some folks refer to him as TLL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Hmmm...
    Makes me wonder why BlueWing said I wasn't behaving in an INTJ manner when I refused to enter into a debate with him.
    But you're an INFJ on the inside!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    But you're an INFJ on the inside!
    Actually, INFJs in a debate are the ones who'd keep going on, and on, and on. Especially if you cross one of their fundamental beliefs. Because they make their decisions based on intangible emotions (which shift), yet they want fixed conclusions. Hence in debates, they get more and more :steam: , while an INTJ is more than likely not to be bothered, and to exit a debate if it gets too emotional. In fact, an INTJ is likely to be at the fuss, since they had only debated the points.

    Because in a debate, an INTJ wants the points heard, in a rational way. Overemotiveness (the tendency of an INFJ) would, in all probability, make them drop the discussion. Especially if they logically assess that they have no chance of winning/having their side of the story heard.

    Note: I know INTJs in real life; some are close friends. INFJs though, i've only met them here. DD is one. opinions welcome!

    Edit: INTJmom, because your behaviour is that of a mature INTJ. Younger INTJs may be prone to stubbornness, in which case, the shadow appears: ESFP. Accusatory, overemotiveness, randomness of 'assault' on others based on perceptions.

    Sorry, what's TLL?
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Sorry, what's TLL?
    I knew I should have elaborated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by elfinchilde View Post
    Actually, INFJs in a debate are the ones who'd keep going on, and on, and on. Especially if you cross one of their fundamental beliefs. Because they make their decisions based on intangible emotions (which shift), yet they want fixed conclusions. Hence in debates, they get more and more :steam: ...
    I do that sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I do that sometimes.
    I do that all the time. aelan often has to tell me to detach. *meek*
    You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
    They called me the hyacinth girl.
    Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
    Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
    Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
    Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
    Looking into the heart of light, the silence.

    --T.S Eliot, The Wasteland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    After a few months research, I've decided to throw SJ out the window. I find it highly unlikely. So, I'm no longer considering ESTJ (and the other SJs were never even a real consideration). I very, very rarely if ever score as Perceiving over Judging; it's nearly always vice versa. But I'm so often borderline Extravert/Introvert. I'm trying to make some distinctions between INTJ and ENTJ so I can decide which I am most like. Does anyone have any suggestions? I want to try and understand each type's mindset in a variety of different situations ranging from debate, argument and philosophising to planning a war or major string of battles; from love, sex and relationships to getting a job or making a career for oneself.
    You ask yourself far too many questions. How many threads like this have you started on several forums? Why don't you just type yourself xxTJ?

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