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    Dear ENTPs,

    I'm a huge fan. So are you apparently. Cool.

    Anyways, tell me my fellow Ne users, how can I tell when your manipulation is about ME rather than about YOU? I know y'all like to garner fan fare, but how does an ENTP manipulate with sincerity?

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    Hello,

    Most ENTPs are egocentric, you are right about that.
    I do not understand the question, it's pretty general, I assume you have a specific scenario in your mind...right?
    I do not manipulate people, is this about an "ENTP" you met, and want to make sure that he deserves trust? A relationship?

    Well the last girl I really loved was INFP or ISFP somewhere in between, it was nice for a while, till she concluded that I do not live "in the real world", and it ended.

    She manipulated me



    I don't really think this is type related though...as any type can manipulate or be self absorbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thessaly View Post
    Dear ENTPs,

    I'm a huge fan. So are you apparently. Cool.

    Anyways, tell me my fellow Ne users, how can I tell when your manipulation is about ME rather than about YOU? I know y'all like to garner fan fare, but how does an ENTP manipulate with sincerity?

    Thanks,

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    I'm not an ENTP - but my ex of many years is...

    In his case, I wouldn't characterize his behavior as generally manipulative, it's more specifically "passive aggressive". This isn't to say that his passive aggressive behavior is not manipulative. It is. But the specific sets of behaviors he tends to exhibit are all passive aggressive in nature. It seems that the more emotional the interpersonal conflict or issue, the more passive aggressive he behaves. There was always an exit strategy or a rationalization. He will not take responsibility for his actions. There is never an emotional context his his mind, everything is intellectualized. We move from the realm of the interpersonal to the realm of abstraction. But the greatest weapon in his arsenal is indifference and withdrawal. He feigns indifference even if he is not indifferent. But it makes no difference since the affect/effect is the same.

    My ex (ENTP) would never admit to "needing" anything emotionally but would find other means to get his needs met (maybe that's just a male thing - not wanting to be vulnerable). This, I guess, would best be characterized as manipulative.

    However, as guesswho suggested, I believe all types (all people) are manipulative in one way or another. We just have different means to obtain our ends.
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    There are currently 20 users browsing this thread. (2 members and 18 guests) lol

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    Personally, my wit becomes a little softer. It's playful, I want to set the mood. Manipulation? If you can sense it, then it isn't working that well, is it? I keep it down to a minimum, mainly zero because I'm pretty sure I could do it well if I did, it's a dangerous temptation. I'll stop incriminating myself now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    Hello,

    Most ENTPs are egocentric, you are right about that.
    I do not understand the question, it's pretty general, I assume you have a specific scenario in your mind...right?
    I do not manipulate people, is this about an "ENTP" you met, and want to make sure that he deserves trust? A relationship?

    Well the last girl I really loved was INFP or ISFP somewhere in between, it was nice for a while, till she concluded that I do not live "in the real world", and it ended.

    She manipulated me



    I don't really think this is type related though...as any type can manipulate or be self absorbed.
    The last type in the world to complain about not living in the real world would be INFP, I would think. I would never complain about such a thing. Perhaps they were ISFP. I am all for delusion and escapism lol

    I guess what I`m asking is, I know ENTPs are naturally flirty and fun so I just wonder when they actually like someone, how they would act. Another thing that confuses me is I always feel very comfy and engaged with ENTPs one-on-one, but then add even just one more person to the mix and their personality changes presto. Feels insincere to me.

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    I am also flirty all the time. It's because I sometimes feel that if I don't do that I won't be attractive, basic insecurities. I'm also compelled to do that, just for the thrill, and I'm also addicted to getting attention, like you said in your post.

    However I've never cheated, when I like someone, she will be my one and only universe no matter how many people are around me...no matter what happens.

    I don't think she was ISFP, she was way hard to decipher, I don't know, I feel I never got to know her, what was inside of her, I only got to the superficial stuff. And that's not my bad...I was the one opening up ...she wasn't. She just listened and smiled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thessaly View Post
    Dear ENTPs,

    I'm a huge fan. So are you apparently. Cool.

    Anyways, tell me my fellow Ne users, how can I tell when your manipulation is about ME rather than about YOU? I know y'all like to garner fan fare, but how does an ENTP manipulate with sincerity?

    Thanks,

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    When I like you, I act like a complete fucking moron. I try to impress you, my jokes aren't funny, and I'm really really self-conscious.
    What I don't like you, I'm interminably charming. I don't try, my jokes are hilarious, and I'm too smooth to realize it.
    That's how you tell the difference.

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    Good to know I don't find you charming.

    *nods with new found insight*

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    When I like you, I act like a complete fucking moron. I try to impress you, my jokes aren't funny, and I'm really really self-conscious.
    What I don't like you, I'm interminably charming. I don't try, my jokes are hilarious, and I'm too smooth to realize it.
    That's how you tell the difference.
    Well that's unfortunate.
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