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    Got some info about how they tend to behave.
    Are they prone to manipulate? Is it a stupid question?

    Battle Without Honor Or Humanity, a song by Tomoyasu Hotei on Spotify

    I have a impression. to put it gently, after i encountered two girls who both had it last nigh out.
    It was them who stated that they were it. I hardly knew anything about it other than that they are supposed to be unstable emotionally.
    Im thinking of starting a blog about all the insanity i put myself trough to find a girl.

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    What is a spotify?

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    ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify

    it's VERY common in Europe.

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    Uh, not the Europe thing again....

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    Stupid americans... just try it.. its for free.

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    Borderline! Borderline! what do you say about borderline!

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    Are you interested in Borderline Personality Disorder? (Your link doesn't work for me).

    The DSM-IV TR has the following as criteria for establishing a diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD):

    A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
    1.Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
    2.A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
    3.Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
    4.Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
    5.Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself.
    6.Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
    7.Chronic feelings of emptiness
    8.Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
    9.Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms


    I'm not altogether sure why you posted this in the NT forum, as BPD is not known to be comorbid with any particular personality type. Women are much more likely to be diagnosed with BPD than men; however, I've seen mental health professionals suggest that as men make up the vast majority of diagnosed Antisocial Personality Disorder (better known, if now inaccurately, as psychopathy) that it may be that some female APD disorder cases are misdiagnosed as BPD, and some male BPD cases are misdiagnosed as APD.

    And what are people with BPD like? They're very scary to be around. There've been some interesting discussions of BPD on the Straight Dope Message Board, so if I may, I'd like to link to those:
    Someone I know has borderline personality disorder
    Experiences with borderline personality people
    How bad is borderline personality disorder? Really?

    This Time Magazine article says the following:

    Borderlines are the patients psychologists fear most. As many as 75% hurt themselves, and approximately 10% commit suicide — an extraordinarily high suicide rate (by comparison, the suicide rate for mood disorders is about 6%). Borderline patients seem to have no internal governor; they are capable of deep love and profound rage almost simultaneously. They are powerfully connected to the people close to them and terrified by the possibility of losing them — yet attack those people so unexpectedly that they often ensure the very abandonment they fear. When they want to hold, they claw instead.

    BPD, like most personality disorders, doesn't respond well to therapy. Psychologists and therapists have little hope for much 'recovery' for their BPD patients. What tends to happen is that BPD people either mellow out somewhat as they age, or they burn out and commit suicide or die due to some misadventure.

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    It basically means "I hate you don't leave me."

    I think my ex has this. He loves intensely but torments those he loves with constant temper tantrums, defensive behavior, and sometimes outright abuse.

    Like if you don't meet up to their perfect idea of who you're supposed to be, they can insult you bitterly and do horrifying things to push you away, then cry and plead and beg for you to return.

    I think I knew a female who had it, and she couldn't stand to be alone. Ever. I mean, she had to sleep with the tv on because it made her feel less alone. She would call people to come over so she never would be alone. I think this goes with the chronic emptiness.

    Drug/alcohol abuse is also common in these people.

    It goes beyond just being emotionally unstable or being extremely sensitive.

    Mipp made a very good point when said that men are more likely to be diagnosed as antisocial (because they tend to react with violence more, I think) and women as borderline, because of "needy" behavior.

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    Most people can recognize someone with BPD as a total trainwreck, too. It's not like it's a huge surprise. I realize this now as a grown woman, but it was harder for me to understand this when I was younger. I think I was drawn to borderline people and wanted to help them. I think my mom might be a touch borderline, though I don't have proof.

    Their temper tantrums are HUGE, like far beyond reason...it's not just normal bitching or arguing. It's scary fucking shit, and it often is just totally psychotic wacko over NOTHING, like getting way too mad over little petty things, or depersonalizing other people, or constantly threatening to commit suicide.

    Sometimes BPD is confused with bipolar disorder. The difference generally is that people with bipolar are acting in an emotionally unstable way for no apparent reason, but actual triggers can be traced to the borderline personality. People with bipolar apparently are more likely to want or seek help, while the borderline person likes to think EVERYONE ELSE HAS THE PROBLEM. Ummm...let's see...oh and the chronic emptiness thing, people who are bipolar don't have that.

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    My understanding is that they have a tendency to both deify people as perfect beyond reason and to, on the flip side, find that people are pure, unadulterated evil. Sometimes they flip flop on these semi-quickly, sometimes these descriptions apply not to one person, but large groups of people they find "very good" or "very evil" (I think evil is a more accurate word, in this case, than bad).

    I've heard that there are number hugely influential psychologists that argue this was the mental disorder Hitler was afflicted with somewhat efficiently, which makes sense in terms of finding certain groups of people (or animals) truly amazing and others detestable. I think it's an interesting and potentially compelling argument I lack the expertise to say much on.

    Naturally, I am not trying to cast all Borderline folks as Hitler-esque. Things like this affect every person different aside from a couple basic trends that they react to in their own way. Except maybe Antisocial Disorder, which seems across the board like someone I don't want to meet.

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    People who are borderline tend to deify and demonize the same individual or group of people. Hitler's clearly defined groups of good and evil make me think he was a paranoid schizophrenic, which I believe is the most common speculation for him.

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