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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I think you are using beauty in a metaphorical sense here, confusing it with likability.
    What is beauty?

    Things embody it, encapsulate it, but beauty is transcendent, hence it lends itself to metaphor.

    Beauty is God, is Love, is Life, is Suffering, is Truth.

    I am not confusing beauty with likability, no.
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    Okay, now I see that you are just using it in another (metaphorical) way than it was meant.

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    That passage you quoted was good, honest, and cynical.

    It's as if the speaker is telling Mr. Gray that all he has is something that will fade and that he won't even recognize the merits of what he has until it shrivels/whithers away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    That passage you quoted was good, honest, and cynical.

    It's as if the speaker is telling Mr. Gray that all he has is something that will fade and that he won't even recognize the merits of what he has until it shrivels/whithers away.
    Therefore Mr. Gray, thus convinced, decides that instead of himself a picture should suffer the anguish of his life.

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    This conversation is getting all too heavy.

    I like to think that true beauty triumphs over father time, and aunt gravity.

    Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    I like to think that true beauty triumphs over father time, and aunt gravity.

    Just sayin'.
    But you are not talking about the physical beauty of the human face; or you are, again, using a rather idiosyncratic concept of beauty.

    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    This conversation is getting all too heavy.
    The semblance is deceiving. You should read the book, though. It is very beautiful.

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    I don't think beauty is ever stagnant.

    Though a moment can be beautiful, or even a thing, a simple object, what makes it beautiful is a dynamic force *behind* it.

    A smile can be beautiful because of what it radiates.

    But who finds a fake plastic smile beautiful???

    I'd argue that no one does.
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    I like the concept of the Uncanny Valley because I have experienced this particular deep emotional response to the seemingly perfect appearance of something that is not at all what it appears to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    A smile can be beautiful because of what it radiates.
    What about the smile of an animated character?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    What about the smile of an animated character?
    Last night I was watching the Ghost in the Shell and the lifelessness of the animated characters really creeped me out.

    I enjoy good animated stuff, and yes, I do think beauty can be manifested in human scribblings, i.e. I believe that a painting can be beautiful, but it is representational, if that makes sense.

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