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    Lol...are they like born with sticks up their asses?

    Hmm..you ask a good question. I just automatically feel like mucking about when things are too serious, unless I recognize that it's time to be serious and get shit done. And I cannot resist making someone who has a stick up their asses, laugh. It's like a personal mission, I *have* to try. And the best way to do that is to make them go completely while they're desperately trying to grasp wtf you're on about. And that's unfortunatley where Ne shines

    It also gets them out of their brooding and their being bored as they are distracted. And despite not wanting to, I have a flair for the dramatic and few people are as easily entertained by that and as able to accomodate that as NTJs are, I've found, much to my surprise, btw, considering how serious they can get. They like watching on the sidelines, like a good tv-show preferably with some popcorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    My older kid-an enfp-did find the funniest way to torment the baby intj. The baby intj always wants to context shift around objects and talk about what you use them for. So the ENFP just keeps insisting on a fixed context. Within about three exchanges, the baby INTJ is getting so pissed and yelling and trying to stab his brother with a fork. The other way to piss off the baby intj is to laugh at one of his carefully formulated ideas. He will walk up with very seriously considered ideas and then state his conclusion. Because he is context shifting he mixes all his categories up so the conclusion can be hysterical. If you laugh at him, he becomes EXTREMELY irate and petulant and stomps off so I had to learn to listen very seriously and give him feedback.
    And people wonder why INTJs generally don't like people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Lol...see, now there's the attitude I'm trying to invoke

    And I would never do such a thing..I would however consider making you work for some things you have come to expect and take for granted...in all ways. And to change our routine, just for the heck of it and see if you will let me or will restore order
    Past experience would dictate that if someone is messing up with my routine somewhere I would simply build it somewhere where it can't be knocked down by brats :P It is after all the definition of madness to repeat the same action and to expect a different result.

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    Oh come on...let me muck about a bit!!! You might even enjoy the results
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Oh come on...let me muck about a bit!!! You might even enjoy the results
    So you always say. But we will end up only giving you the 'light stuff' to play with until you gain our confidence that you aren't going to break those until we let you into the real fun :P

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    Hey I have no problem with you deciding on the bigger picture. In fact, it's reassuring that you do. However, if you won't, I might just muck about with that too till you decide to get down to business already

    I do appreciate it though that you let me muck about with the smaller stuff and don't sweat it. That's just fun and awesome
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    So this isn't a question about NTJs. It's some ridiculous question of the form, can I be meeee? What's up with asking permission to approach the world in the way you naturally do?

    If all the world were to do this, not only would it be a more polite place, but very definitely closer to world piece. Why, I remember a time when the kids used to ask me, Pappy, can we play in the yard? And I'd tell em naw, and they'd squeal. Then I'd tell em go on, git out in that yard and play, but don't touch yer sister she has the plague. I liked to mess with the kids that way. For one thing it help the sister to grow up stronger, and ironically with some sexual problems, who knew that playing doctor at home was that important? Anyway, for another, it helped the kids learn boundaries. Sure, the boundaries changed often, but what of it?

    And that's all I have to say about that.


    Do tired ENFPs like to come home from work and be told important things in an abstract code that quite clearly relates to very important and real conditions but doesn't make clear the connection?

    Sure they do. It's fun. When I were a boy we used to do it to the neighbourhood ENFP. She lived at the bottom of a well were her father had dumped one time. An aunt used to drop her some food sometimes. But we'd go over there and yell out abstract mathematics. Boy, would she squeal. Good times. Someone's not getting any, we'd call out.

    SOMEONE'S NOT GETTING ANY!
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    LOL, welcome to the party, Kalach. That's a cute little story.

    I don't mind being ranted at by an enthused INTJ about some abstract mathproblem, as long as he doesn't require me to think *with* him since my brain is already fried and tired.
    So perhaps I shoudln't expect you boys to wanna do anything else but watch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Lol...are they like born with sticks up their asses?
    well..his daycare describes him as a little british librarian. But he is mostly very nice to other kids and is very sweet to mom.

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    And people wonder why INTJs generally don't like people?
    And people wonder why people dont generally like INTJs. You guys come loaded with a set of very unique characteristics and a desire for controlling the world around you. The enfp told me the other day "Have fun being corrected by a three year old" as the intj never holds back. Part of being a good parent is to appreciate and laugh at the funny things your kids do, then do the best you can to be supportive of what they need to grow healthily and give the space to do so.

    It is interesting how quickly kids learn to push each other's buttons though, even esoteric INTJ buttons. And enfps dont like to be controlled-unless another person has earned that right. So the enfp kid will continue to defy the INTJ kid in his funny ENFP way, just to push back on the INTJ's attempts to control him. A power dynamic.

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    Oddly the "abstract blah blah" is Ni vomit. I have spent many hours hanging out with intjs over the years listening to Ni vomit. If I have the time-I learn amazing stuff. Like listening to someone verbalize their thesis-which by all accounts should be hideously boring but for whatever the reason, I always greatly enjoy it. It is like information that has been encoded in the right format. Ni vomit can be very calming oddly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    LOL, welcome to the party, Kalach. That's a cute little story.

    I don't mind being ranted at by an enthused INTJ about some abstract mathproblem, as long as he doesn't require me to think *with* him since my brain is already fried and tired.
    So perhaps I shoudln't expect you boys to wanna do anything else but watch?
    S'matter? You don't like a challenge? Something random, seemingly unrelated to the work at hand?

    Pffft, enfps. No fun.
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