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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    No one ever gets anyone until that person gets themselves. Prior to understanding self, there will be too many mixed messages.
    Is this ever REALLY possible? Do we ever really escape our own internal voice?

    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    There is depth, you just have to talk to them about the right things.
    examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    Is this ever REALLY possible? Do we ever really escape our own internal voice?



    examples?
    Relationships for one, things they have done, places they have been, things they like, whys about what people do, future, etc. Its depth of a person and people, not abstract ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    There is depth, you just have to talk to them about the right things.
    Right. I'm not putting down ESFPs, just saying that in my experience, they don't seem to be quite as good of a match with INTJs. There was no judgment intended in my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    There is depth, you just have to talk to them about the right things.
    This is true. My mother has a lot of emotional depth about her children, grandchildren, other people she's loved (the men in her life), and her extended family and friends. No one said ESFPs don't have any depth at all.

    But I don't connect my mom on a certain intellectual level, I actually have to overlook a ton of things with her that I would call another person out on because I accept certain things about her being my mother and I love her and the drama is pointless and won't accomplish anything.

    It's much easier to accept such things in family members and platonic friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Right. I'm not putting down ESFPs, just saying that in my experience, they don't seem to be quite as good of a match with INTJs. There was no judgment intended in my post.
    It's just "let's have fun" and nothing else
    And my post was more informative, not taking offense to what you said. I can easily see where someone would pin them as just "lets have fun" and I dont think they would even take much offense to that. It just came across as if you dont know the other side of the coin with ESFPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    And my post was more informative, not taking offense to what you said. I can easily see where someone would pin them as just "lets have fun" and I dont think they would even take much offense to that. It just came across as if you dont know the other side of the coin with ESFPs.
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    I want you to know it's not just a case of Intuitives "looking down" on Sensors, it's simply acknowledging that a certain kind of connection isn't there.

    This isn't all one-sided, either. I've had some Sensors tell me that they're more comfortable with other Sensors.

    One of the ISTJs I know has criticized ENFPs heavily.

    My ESFJ ex also used to tell me sometimes that I seemed "retarded" no fucking shit, but that he was amazed at how brilliant I seemed in writing, and that he knew how smart I really was.

    Because by ESFJ standards in day-to-day life, apparently I am a retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I want you to know it's not just a case of Intuitives "looking down" on Sensors, it's simply acknowledging that a certain kind of connection isn't there.

    This isn't all one-sided, either. I've had some Sensors tell me that they're more comfortable with other Sensors.

    One of the ISTJs I know has criticized ENFPs heavily.
    Marry an ISTJ and an ENFP and you will see alot of criticism(grandparents) together for 50+ years. INTJ and ENFP as well(my parents 30+ years), its a J vs P thing mostly. That serious side knocking that playful side.

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    Look, we know what we're talking about. Sorry that you don't.

    I do not want to have this conversation, especially not with an Sensor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Look, we know what we're talking about. Sorry that you don't.

    I do not want to have this conversation, especially not with an Sensor.
    lol, atleast we use our eyes...intuitives.

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