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    Tier 1 Member LunaLuminosity's Avatar
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    There does seem to be a problem with the Fi and Ni questions.

    I wonder if there is a test where the criteria for the cognitive functions are a little more balanced. I don't expect the patterns to emerge according to stacking theory, but I do think there is too much of a pattern of high Fi and low Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    Though I do feel my values, I wouldn't go as far as saying that they are allogical. I would say that my values are a type of logic where the root of it is human decency.
    What you consider "decency" is part of your value system.
    That's like saying "my values are defined by my values". Which is actually true. But it's alogical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Curtiss View Post
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) * (1.8)
    unused
    introverted Feeling (Fi) *********************************************** (47.4)
    excellent use

    I think there's definitely a pattern of preference for Fi over Fe in INTPs.
    Lol. Nice understatement.

    Seriously, the questions concerning Ni make it sound really flaky and overly mystical. I don't know how anyone could strongly agree with some of those questions...
    No one understand Ni. It's like quantum mechanics. Only dumber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salome View Post
    What you consider "decency" is part of your value system.
    That's like saying "my values are defined by my values". Which is actually true. But it's alogical.
    I kind of get what you're saying, but not really.

    It's like, I start with something that is a value and therefore cannot be logically broken down, and then the value system is what logically follows from that principle. For example, my starting value is something like "unnecessary suffering is wrong." The rest of our views (and probably most other human's views) logically reduces to this indestructable value.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salome View Post
    Lol. Nice understatement.
    I know, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    I kind of get what you're saying, but not really.

    It's like, I start with something that is a value and therefore cannot be logically broken down, and then the value system is what logically follows from that principle. For example, my starting value is something like "unnecessary suffering is wrong." The rest of our views (and probably most other human's views) logically reduces to this indestructable value.
    So your values are internally consistent. They are still alogical (not illogical).

    What is "unnecessary"? What is "suffering"? And why is it "wrong"? Logic isn't much use to you there. You can't prove the rightness or wrongness of suffering. It just is.
    You aren't basing your value system on the principle of doing no harm because it's expedient or because it's a universal value, are you? You are basing it on a belief, and on the promptings of your own conscience. That is Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    ...the thing that annoys me the most are some of the Ni questions. They make Ni sound like some kind of magic, and I think you'd have to be a flake to actually respond strongly to them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Curtiss View Post
    I prefer introversion in everything but intuition, the introverted orientation of which I don't really understand. Seriously, the questions concerning Ni make it sound really flaky and overly mystical. I don't know how anyone could strongly agree with some of those questions...
    Wow... two INTPs with low Ni scores complaining about the Ni prompts... what a surprise... :rolleyes2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Salome View Post
    No one understand Ni.
    Ni is difficult to understand because of how it accesses the subconscious.

    That is also why it often is associated with mystical connotations.

    Of course, some people understand Ni far better than others.

    And these people are almost always Ni-doms...

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    Too bad they can't explain Ni to anyone...

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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)

    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************************* (45.9)
    excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************************************* (43.7)
    excellent use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) *************************************** (39.6)
    excellent use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30.6)
    good use
    introverted Sensing (Si) **************************** (28.2)
    average use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************** (26.2)
    average use
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************** (20.4)
    limited use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ***** (5.8)
    unused

    Color me shocked. This is the first time I've scored as an INFP; however, the wording of some of the questions pissed me off for being so stupid. I found it hard to be unbiased in my judgment of myself as a result. "Engage life's magical moments and meaningful coincidences as they happen" I mean, really? This kind of question just makes me want to punch whoever came up with it in the teeth. Such poor word choice leaves me to wonder on the significance of "magical moments" and "meaningful coincidences" compared to the "as they happen" aspect.

    That being said, I know myself very, very well and I'm selfish enough to be uncompromising about it hence the high Fi score (although it seems to me that this survey doesn't account for actual use of functions; just one's thoughts/feelings about them.) If anything, my Fi is based off the conclusions I've reached through Ti.

    Whatever. I have a different cognitive function test's results in my signature, so you can add me to the Fi > Fe category.




    EDIT: As it turns out, I lied. I apparently have scored as an INFP before...using this test. Apparently I took it on the first of last year and forgot about it. Well, here's my comparison results from a year ago.

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFP

    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ********************************************** (46.7)
    excellent use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************************* (43.7)
    excellent use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************** (34.6)
    good use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ******************************* (31.1)
    good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) **************************** (28.3)
    average use
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************* (25.6)
    average use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************* (21.2)
    limited use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********* (9)
    unused
    I scored INFP? That's a first. You can check to see the discrepancy between this cognitive function test and another one I took which listed the functions in my sig. (I don't remember which test it was...sorry.)

    I took the test just going with my first instinct on most questions because I didn't feel like taking an hour to differentiate between the semantic meaning of the questions vs. what they wanted them to mean.

    Although, I will say that lately I've been giving more credence to Ne when it comes to the decision-making process.
    It's funny to see I had the same complaints then and that my Ne has increased after all.
    Ti = 19 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Te = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ne = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fi = 15 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Si = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ni = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Se = 11[][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fe = 0

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    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************* (19.2)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ******************************* (31.2)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) **************************************** (40.3)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ******************************** (32.3)
    good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************************* (33.5)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************************************** * (51.7)
    excellent use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************ (12)
    unused
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************* (19.8)
    limited use

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP

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    A man builds. A parasite asks 'Where is my share?'
    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
    A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '


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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)

    extraverted Sensing (Se) *********************** (23.5)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************* (21.4)
    limited use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************************* (45.7)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************************** (35.6)
    good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************* (37.8)
    excellent use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************************** (41.8)
    excellent use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) *********** (11.2)
    unused
    introverted Feeling (Fi) *********************** (23.4)
    limited use
    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Introverted Thinking (Ti): Gaining leverage (influence) using a framework. Detaching to study a situation from different angles and fit it to a theory, framework or principle. Checking for accuracy. Using leverage to solve the problem.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENTP, or INTJ



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    My results:

    extraverted Sensing (Se) **************************** (28.9)
    average use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ************** (14.5)
    unused
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************************* (49)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************************* (33.3)
    good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************** (26.7)
    average use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************************************* (49.2)
    excellent use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************** (20.1)
    limited use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ***************** (17.7)
    limited use

    Suggested I'm ENTP, but should consider INTP. I'm quite sure I'm INTP - have always come up as that about 90% of the time on tests, including the official one. Man, I suck at feeling.

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Introverted Thinking (Ti): Gaining leverage (influence) using a framework. Detaching to study a situation from different angles and fit it to a theory, framework or principle. Checking for accuracy. Using leverage to solve the problem.
    Last edited by DeweyCheatem-n-Howe; 03-22-2012 at 03:04 PM. Reason: Added the lead and support processes

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