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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Yeah, we're usually not trying to set the agenda for others. It's hard enough staying on our own agenda, let alone managing the agenda of 5 or 10 others. The approach that NTP's take to leadership is usually: I'm going to show you how to do it properly and/or make sure you get the right training. After that, you're expected to make it happen. Make yourself competent. When we are in a new position, we only expect people to give us "basic training" and then we want freedom and space to figure out the rest - to operate fairly autonomously. And so we kind of expect the same from others when they work for us.

    I know an ENTP business owner who gets frustrated with his employees. He tells me, "I pay these people good freakin' money. Figure it out. Don't make me hold your hand. For what I'm paying you, you should be extremely competent and not need my guidance every 15 minutes." It's funny to watch, cuz he gets pretty heated about it.

    NTP's have a very "hands-off" approach to managing others. We expect you to pick up your own slack and to function at a very high level. Sometimes it's good cuz people who like to work independently enjoy that freedom and total lack of micromanagement. Other times it's bad (really bad) cuz people come to us for guidance/leadership and we're like, "Why are you asking me? I have stuff to do. Figure it out!" And yeah, we're really bad with deadlines. If I don't keep a list, I forget stuff.
    That just doesn't sound like a good manager...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    That just doesn't sound like a good manager...
    Which was basically my point. We don't really make good managers of people. So, yeah, good observation.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    That just doesn't sound like a good manager...
    Isn't difference in managerial quality at least a little inherent in the P vs J difference? I tend to read P as a lot less interested in the idea of directing people.

    Also, what's with the weird anti-INTP bigotry going on? There's two options:

    A) You specifically have to use the phrase "you're one of the good ones" towards certain INTPs to remind everyone you generally dislike them

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    B) There is some general Crypts/Bloods-type rivalry I didn't hear about

    Cause one of my best friends is INTJ and I don't fancy flying colors at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Isn't difference in managerial quality at least a little inherent in the P vs J difference? I tend to read P as a lot less interested in the idea of directing people.
    Well, simple interest in directing people doesn't necessarily make one good at it.

    But I guess you could assume that interest leads to practice leads to more opportunity to get better, and interest is probably just beneficial in and of itself.

    I guess I'd just never made the direct observation before that NTPs (and maybe Ps more broadly?) aren't good at managing people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    B) There is some general Crypts/Bloods-type rivalry I didn't hear about
    For the record, they are "crips", not crypts.

    Also, what's with the weird anti-INTP bigotry going on?
    You notice the recurring theme too, eh? It's cool though, he's probably a good manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Also, what's with the weird anti-INTP bigotry going on?
    Is this directed towards me, or in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    There's two options:
    Why must there only be two options?

    I One can certainly think of more...

    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    It's cool though, he's probably a good manager.
    The people I've managed have tended to agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The people I've managed have tended to agree.
    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    You notice the recurring theme too, eh?.........................
    No worries. We all know that you have life on "lock down" (all figured out). Off to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    No worries. We all know that you have life on "lock down" (all figured out). Off to bed.
    Well that was awfully passive-aggressive...

    Did I say something derogatory to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Is this directed towards me, or in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers
    There's two options:

    A) You specifically have to use the phrase "you're one of the good ones" towards certain INTPs to remind everyone you generally dislike them (EDITOR'S NOTE: towards you)

    or

    B) There is some general Crypts/Bloods-type rivalry I didn't hear about (EDITOR'S NOTE: in general)
    Why must there only be two options? I can certainly think of more.
    Tip for pretentious responses: do not do literally the exact same thing you are criticizing immediately before acting haughty.

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    As cute as you think your little response may have been, was there really any point?

    Will it accomplish anything other than giving me one more reason to not like INTPs?

    It's ironic that I actually harbored no distinct negative sentiment against you til now.


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