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    Not necessarily. As a matter of Fact, Fe's primary function is manipulation.

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    Conformity to a whole in order to improve the whole, the inferiority of that function leads to the selfishness that can be perceived in getting what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    Conformity to a whole in order to improve the whole, the inferiority of that function leads to the selfishness that can be perceived in getting what you want.
    Your saying Inferior Fe makes way for selfishness? How is inferior Fe related to selfishness?

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    This is very interesting. Will have to think some more about this.

    The reason I ask, was that I was put under a lot of stress awhile back by a few(in power). And how I reacted was to reach out to the masses through Fe and indirectly show how much I appreciated them(the people) and make a plea for help.

    What triggered this was collaborated Fe manipulation going over a few years to make the people turn away. To isolate for vulnerability, dislike, due to arbitrary reasons. But that failed, mostly.

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    What surprised me, was my reaction through Fe when this thing finally got real. Even if it was fully genuine. And was not turned away. It made me feel real uncomfortable for days actually, to have tapped into this. Almost sick.

    That's why I'm wondering how people who claim to be NTs, can use this function comfortably as a manipulative tool, for selfish reasons? I see the effectiveness. But how can they stand it?

    This sort of emotional control comes off as Fe primarily to me, or Fe support. Or am I mistaken? I'm talking about everyday comfortable use. Can one develop an inferior function to this degree?

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    Fe governs the urge to respond to what is seen as socially necessary. The weak Fe seen in ITPs tends to be a bit erratic. It can be seen in many ways.

    1: Avoidant behaviour, not wanting to hear about or get involved in other peoples problems.
    2: Over reacting to social blunders with excessive appologies or similar.
    3: Unwarrented aggression and a tendancy to find insults where none were intended.
    4: Excess competitiveness or even a refusel to compete at all.
    5: Avoiding social commitments.

    ...and so on and so forth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Fe governs the urge to respond to what is seen as socially necessary. The weak Fe seen in ITPs tends to be a bit erratic. It can be seen in many ways.

    1: Avoidant behaviour, not wanting to hear about or get involved in other peoples problems.
    2: Over reacting to social blunders with excessive appologies or similar.
    3: Unwarrented aggression and a tendancy to find insults where none were intended.
    4: Excess competitiveness or even a refusel to compete at all.
    5: Avoiding social commitments.

    ...and so on and so forth.
    nice analyze from someone with no idea

    this isnt math you see, you cant just take all the strong stuff away and leave the weak ones, even tho the function itself might be weak or what you did with some of those was to turn the strong points upside down..

    imo what those things should be:

    1: avoiding of revealing self to the group easily. not wanting other people to get involved with personal problems
    2: over reacting to other peoples overly strong emotions(even when the emotion isnt "justified"), when those emotions are something important to intp(or if the intp is afraid of the other person showing this particular emotion in this particular situation)
    3: being overly aggressive/insulting when the other person goes way too much over the limits on something thats hurting the intp. acting out aggressive(not attacking him, but more like acting like you are going to get your ass kicked) insult strangers who go way over the limits
    4: i dont get how this has anything related to Fe, but i think intps tend to do this. i bet this has more to do with shadow Te
    5: again nothing related to Fe, but intps do tend to avoid all kinds of commitments unless they are really sure about them
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    nice analyze from someone with no idea

    this isnt math you see, you cant just take all the strong stuff away and leave the weak ones, even tho the function itself might be weak or what you did with some of those was to turn the strong points upside down..

    imo what those things should be:

    1: avoiding of revealing self to the group easily. not wanting other people to get involved with personal problems
    2: over reacting to other peoples overly strong emotions(even when the emotion isnt "justified"), when those emotions are something important to intp(or if the intp is afraid of the other person showing this particular emotion in this particular situation)
    3: being overly aggressive/insulting when the other person goes way too much over the limits on something thats hurting the intp. acting out aggressive(not attacking him, but more like acting like you are going to get your ass kicked) insult strangers who go way over the limits
    4: i dont get how this has anything related to Fe, but i think intps tend to do this. i bet this has more to do with shadow Te
    5: again nothing related to Fe, but intps do tend to avoid all kinds of commitments unless they are really sure about them
    4 is to do with perception of social position and the possible loss of face/standing if beaten or the gains to be made when victorious. 5 is indeed componded by a need to be really sure over such things. In terms of functions, that is often a result of the INTPs Si (needing certainty) and Fe working together.

    As I said, there are many ways inferior Fe can play out. The variations you listed are quite valid, just as the ones I listed were. It can even be a nice function, once the ITP gets a handle on it. That's true of most inferiors, of course.
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    I identify with the basic gist of both of your examples (and I do have an idea. I think I'm closer to the right type now. That or INTP. It wasn't Fi at all). One funny thing is how "respecting" the Fe side in myself shows up is when I'm just acutely aware of consequences.. Say, for example, somewhere like here. I enjoy bullshitting around here, so I don't really want to sabotage myself. Sometimes I speak my mind, and sometimes it may take me an hour just to phrase something. It's as if I have that monkey from Family Guy on my back, telling me not to go certain places. I used to give less of a shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    4 is to do with perception of social position and the possible loss of face/standing if beaten or the gains to be made when victorious. 5 is indeed componded by a need to be really sure over such things. In terms of functions, that is often a result of the INTPs Si (needing certainty) and Fe working together.

    As I said, there are many ways inferior Fe can play out. The variations you listed are quite valid, just as the ones I listed were. It can even be a nice function, once the ITP gets a handle on it. That's true of most inferiors, of course.
    you talk about social position and competitiveness in same thing, this doesent match at all. are you trying to say that intps tend to compete for their social position?

    do you have some intp friend that tends to compete with you all the time? i got an intj friend who i tend to compete with about everything and it has nothing to do with Fe, its more like battle of Te vs Ti. it might have characteristics of alpha males battling, but its not really about social position at all, its just a fun activity for my Ti, i couldnt care less about social position since we are all friends. its just fun to own Te you see.

    i do tend to compete rarely with my entp friend too, but its more like drunken wrestling(or other physical activity) and i dont care if i win or lose, its all about fun and i dont see it effecting to my social position at all. i dont have this urge to compete with F types.

    Fe + competition shouldnt be used in same sentence imo. Fe is about creating harmony and competition is braking harmony and it cant really be used to balance it either, creating harmony comes from good things, competition is the opposite if used as form of manipulating anything.

    5 is all about Ne and seeing the possible opportunities that Ne gives(and because of what if there will be a better opportunity). because seeing the possible opportunities, its not the preferred way to make a commitment since that might end up being the wrong decision when/if new opportunities arise. because of these possible opportunities, its hard for Ti to make a decision about commitment and P types tend not to make a decision of any kind if they are not sure about it.

    your variations about how Fe manifests in intp seems like classic case of intj not understanding whats going on. my intj friend makes this kind of mistakes all the time, its about Te seeing only the facts, but Ni composing a twisted picture about the whole. it happens because Te doesent look behind the scene, and Ni forms opinion about Te facts and what weak Se tells about what seems to be. i bet empathetic type of thinking of Fi has something to do with this, because it can lead the person to false image, due to too much unconscious assuming.
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