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    Default NTs the most effective liars?

    First, I will start by saying that the xNTxs that I know and work with on a daily basis are generally the most forthright and honest people. However, I have noticed that they also tend to be the most cunning liars when they choose to do so, and they are almost without flaw.

    xNFx- They can be just as convincing as xNTxs, however, generally only if they are doing so to help someone, or if they believe that someone has violated them somehow. Otherwise they are seemingly less adept at this.

    xSxJ- Often the less decisive will be fooled, however, they often provide too much information. This usually leads more intuitive people to notice the inconsistencies in the proposed "facts".

    xSxP- Most of the xSxPs I know are terrible liars. (Not that that's a bad thing by any means) ESTPs, if unquestioned, can be extremely persuasive. Once you begin to question them they have a very hard time maintaining the facade.

    I think that the key to lying in this sense is the ability to think quickly and be able to "paint a believable picture". It's my observation that sensing types tend to be at a disadvantage in this arena.

    This is more of an observation on my behalf of those that I encounter on a regular basis, and not entire types' demographic in general. It is very possible an erroneous conclusion, however, it seems to hold true more often than not.

    Let me know what you think/have observed, as I am interested to hear it.
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    Curious.

    I'd imagine the most efficient liar (such that the "lie" is realized as a veritable truth, wherein ultimate discovery is incumbent upon the "liar" and not his subject(s)) is hinged on a sophisticated appreciation for whom the lie is intended.

    As the central variables are human, it seems logical to assemble the "ideal" liar as one with an intimate appreciation for how emotion and logic connect to form perception. The NF and NT seem best suited to fulfill this general template, yet remain orphaned unless their aim involves a realistic representation of intellectual traits - both internal and those gleaned from their subject(s). This balance seems the mark of the SP.

    I suppose the most concise answer would be to appeal to the vanities of one's target. I'd wager this is less a consequence of MBTI and more an indication of intimacy.

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    I think it works on different levels.
    NTs may seems more cunning somehow, but the empathic force of NFs can make them very persuasive liars.

    I'd say the in two letters with the most distinct concentration of lying skills is EN. I can say that ENs are clearly better liars than ESs, ISs, or INs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
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    I suppose the most concise answer would be to appeal to the vanities of one's target. I'd wager this is less a consequence of MBTI and more an indication of intimacy.
    Intriguing point, it would seem quite rational that the most effective deceiver would be one with with the most thorough understanding of whom he was attempting to persuade. In a much more neutral stance, without the bias of prior relationship, it would seem evident that a dominant Ni or Ti would be the most effective tools for orchestrating, and sustaining imposed misconception upon the receiving party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalWounds View Post
    Intriguing point, it would seem quite rational that the most effective deceiver would be one with with the most thorough understanding of whom he was attempting to persuade. In a much more neutral stance, without the bias of prior relationship, it would seem evident that a dominant Ni or Ti would be the most effective tools for orchestrating, and sustaining imposed misconception upon the receiving party.
    Indeed - or at least sustaining the imposed misconception upon himself.

    Critical to the continuity of the lie is the level of coherence found in the user. Self-doubt is often the first indication of weakness.

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    I would think that intelligence level would come into play quite a bit as well- sure an unintelligent xSxP may slip up with thier lie- as would a less intelligent xNTx or any other type. The best liars are simply those who remember who they told what to.

    Another useful quality in lying is the ability to read the face and body language of the person to whom you are lying- if they start giving signs of disbeleif, it's best to change strategies as opposed to have them mark you as a liar- if they give signs that they are taking the bait go ahead and drive your lie home. Being able to control one's own face and body language are also useful in lying- as there are telltale traits of a liar, and if you are aware of these you can avoid doing them.

    I would think that the ability to read another person's body language would be more closely related with Se or Fe perhaps, which would place xSxPs at an advantage. From my own personal experience, xNTxs are less aware of the body language of themselves and others!

    This is just my own opinion- and for an added note- I'm a good liar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Indeed - or at least sustaining the imposed misconception upon himself.
    Is this not the most fundamental element of an effective lie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalWounds View Post
    Is this not the most fundamental element of an effective lie?
    Maybe.

    The truly impressive tend to blur the distinction between what is "true" and what has become "truth-like" consequent to their deceit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post

    I would think that the ability to read another person's body language would be more closely related with Se or Fe perhaps, which would place xSxPs at an advantage. From my own personal experience, xNTxs are less aware of the body language of themselves and others!

    This is just my own opinion- and for an added note- I'm a good liar!
    In my experience, xNTxs are generally the most difficult to read body language or facial expression from. Se would be effective at reading most and discerning reality from falsehood, but lacking in pattern building, would have difficulty dismantling more elaborate lies that appear truthful. Someone with a dominant Fe would effective only to the point that a falsehood is detected, as body language and facial expression would be distinctly evident in such a type. I have no doubt that you are a good liar, most ESTPs are.
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    Haha. I know exactly how to lie... Before my conscience gets to me anyway. There's only one thing I would ever lie about and be at ease with myself is practicing piano. I don't want to practice, but I didn't want to be yelled at everyday for not doing so. So I lied. It's amazing and unsettling how I can tell lies with a perfectly straight face. Most of the time I'm honest. In fact, brutally honest... It's not that I don't know how to have tact and act, but I really don't like beating around the bush. When my friends ask my opinion on how they look when trying on a dress, and if they look ridiculous, I would tell them that. It's better for them that they know now (and possibly a little put out by my lack of tact) than have to be seen looking like that, because believe or not, if you want my opinion, you get it. It's that simple.

    Whenever my mother caught me lying, I'd get in trouble, understandably, but what amuses me is that out of the few times she caught me (believe me, I used to do this every day until High School workload really gets to me and I don't even need to lie), she thought she can read me like a book and that she would 'always' know when I'm lying.
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