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    Default are you intjs able to create music spontaneously in your heads?

    i asked my intj friend that if he is able to imagine/create music spontaneously in his head, he went little like and said no. me and my infp friend are able to do this and i was wondering if this is a P(or Si Ne) thing.
    the problem is that i want to do music with him, and he is unable to create music by composing it in his head and then just trying out what notes match what he composed in his head(he just started playing guitar). he said that he needs to learn to play some songs first and learn the notes before he can even think about composing music. it sounds pretty weird to me that someone is incapable to imagine music,, especially since it doesent have to be in real time and he only needs to do it for one instrument(i can do this in real time and use whole band, if drums arent too complicated, but i can do complicated drum fills if other instruments are simple at the time).
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    No, I believe it's because my thinking is far too dominated by my left brain half.

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    I am as good as Keith Jarrett, I just cannot play any damn instrument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I am as good as Keith Jarrett, I just cannot play any damn instrument.
    im not asking that, im asking if you can create music spontaneously inside your head
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    I can hum improvised nonsense, yes.

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    I can compose music, write texts, sing and play a couple or three intstruments. But I forget... I'm not an INTJ anymore

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    I'm a rearranged INTJ, but yes. But then I'm also strongly right brained, if that's of relevance.
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    Not completely certain of my type, whether E or I so here goes. As a kid, I was forever humming or singing made up songs. Then...reality struck. They were really bad. Now I can't anymore since those neural connections have been closed for very good reason.

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    I can do it, but I've had years of music training. Have you and your other friend been doing this for years? If he's new he may just be a neophyte at the skill rather than unable to do it.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiation
    Audiation is the process of mentally hearing and comprehending music, even when no physical sound is present. It is a cognitive process by which the brain gives meaning to musical sounds. In essence, audiation of music is analogous to thinking in a language. The term audiation should not be confused with audition, the mere perception of sound. Audiation is also more than just a musical form of auditory imagery. Developed audiation includes the necessary understanding of music to enable the conscious prediction of patterns in unfamiliar music.
    The term audiation was coined in 1975 by music education researcher Edwin E. Gordon.

    According to Gordon:
    Although music is not a language, the process is the same for audiating and giving meaning to music as for thinking and giving meaning to speech. When you are listening to speech, you are giving meaning to what was just said by recalling and making connections with what you have heard on earlier occasions. At the same time, you are anticipating or predicting what you will be hearing next, based on your experience and understanding. Similarly, when you are listening to music, you are giving meaning to what you just heard by recalling what you have heard on earlier occasions. At the same time, you are anticipating or predicting what you are hearing next, based on your musical achievement. In other words, when you are audiating as you are listening to music, you are summarizing and generalizing from the specific music patterns you have just heard as a way to anticipate or predict what will follow. Every action becomes an interaction. What you are audiating depends on what you have already audiated. As audiation develops, the broader and deeper it becomes and thus the more it is able to reflect on itself. Members of an audience who are not audiating usually do not know when a piece of unfamiliar, or even familiar, music is nearing its end. They may applaud at any time, or not at all, unless they receive clues from others in the audience who are audiating. Through the process of audiation, we sing and move in our minds, without ever having to sing and move physically.[1] (Gordon, 1997, pp. 5-6)

    Audiation is an essential element of Music Learning Theory, a research-based explanation of how humans learn music when they learn music. Although the term audiation has so far not entered into common music parlance, it has been gaining acceptance among music educators. Gordon criticizes traditional-minded educators for not directly teaching audiation, which he views as the foundation of musicianship.
    A lot of people don't realize you're supposed to be doing this when you interact with an instrument.

    When I switched from trumpet to trombone I instantly got better as a musician because I realized I could be audiating the sound before it came out. And when I say instantly I mean, one instant I was alright, and about three seconds later when I realized I should be audiating (without knowing the term) I was a very strong player.

    I started out with piano. I don't think many pianists with not-so-great old school teachers (like me) knew this, because you can't affect the pitch on that instrument, so if you're a strong sight-reader (like I used to be) you just stare and play.

    Music becomes more fun when you learn audiation. I didn't learn this until grade 9 school, and I started piano lessons at 5 years old.
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