Salomé
meh
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Your logic is highly suspect and you're making this more complicated than it needs to be.well there are a few scenarios in this:
The disparity between test results and model can be explained very simply: either your model is faulty, or the test is. NOT THE PERSON!!
If a CF test fails to differentiate between Fi and Ti effectively (as some here claim), then it's worthless as a typing tool, to all intents and purposes. So why even discuss it? Come up with a better test.
I'm going to proceed on the basis that it is possible to distinguish between Fi use and Ti use fairly easily and the reason for the discrepancy is that you are working with the wrong model (there are at least 3 that I know of, none of them are theoretically watertight - and beyond the first two "functions" (which are all the MBTI purports to measure), the order is purely speculative.)
If you think about most MBTI-type tests, they don't measure Ti and Fi, they measure T vs F as an (arbitrary) dichotomy. What happens if you score as an INXP? Are you Ti-dom or Fi-dom or do you use both in equal measure? If you come down on the side of Ti-dom, does that mean you suddenly have Fe and no Fi? That makes no sense when you could just as easily have scored Fi-dom!
If you discount all testing then you have no means of empirically assessing the validity of your model. It's just one person's word against another's.
The huge theoretical gap between MBTI tests and CF interpretation is something I've never seen addressed on this forum. Jack Flak approached it, but never went there directly.
What you guys are trying to do here is dangerous: you're using an entirely unscientific model to tell people that what they think they know about themselves isn't true, people that you've never even met and know nothing about. That's crazy. It's like bulldozing a building because it's not on your map. Change the fucking map.
It's pretty simple. They have different domains. Ti is only useful in situations that respond to logic. The rest belongs to Fi. Because I am strongly Ti-dom, sometimes I do try to solve personal problems with impersonal logic - that's almost always a mistake though. I'll even run Fi output through Ti - just because that's what I trust the most - I don't trust how I feel most of the time, unless my reaction is so violent that there is no room for doubt - actually even then, I don't always trust it. But often Ti has nothing to add other than criticism and endless stalling, looking for more data. If I rely too much on Ti, I procrastinate indefinitely on personal matters - which Ti has no sound means of evaluating.You're right about the last bit though, which I didn't take into account in my previous statement. Probably should have said "most" but that's almost a cop out.
I'm interested though, in how you manage the dissonance. How do you determine which function gets to decide?
It's funny, I'm similarly perplexed by the idea that a Ti dom could regard Fe with anything other than disdain and suspicion.