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    Default Are INTPs the J-est P's?

    I was just thinking, about despite the fact that I'm usually not terribly goal interested, have little desire for power and all that, that I do have a lot of J traits, but these traits are often associated with INTPs. Because of the introverted thinking I suppose we always (almost) think actions through before taking them and we will often take many precautions. This tendency to extensively analyse every situation is similar to the J's planning ahead. Also, our desire for logical correctness often extends to organisation which is rather J like.

    Do you agree? What type do you think displays the most J-like traits that is not a J?

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    Some of that is true, but in other ways, like with procrastination and avoiding commitments, INTPs are the P-est.

    So I call it a wash.

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    That's true.

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    I'd say no. I'm just a whole bucket of procrastination. Js actually make decisions and keep to them whereas INTPs are too whimsical. We use Ti as an excuse to keep "researching" to avoid actively making a choice and keeping to it. That's very non-J.
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    I'd say it seems like STPs are the J-est Ps, they have an directive interaction style that most Js have and they are known to be "doers". Thinking before acting is more of an introvert trait, I don't know how you got that confused with being a judger. In fact, INTPs are probably the least type concerned with external order and decisions(they have Fe as their last function, and that is not as "organized" as Te.(P.S., you don't have to be a judger to make a plan, but following through on the plan seems to be an judger strength that I envy).
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    Well it's planning and such. I dunno. I never thought ISTPs were much for thinking about things in detail and preparing like INTPs often do when they analyse things. Most Ps will just head straight in, but INTPs tend to make sure they are completely prepared for whatever it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsherlockholmes View Post
    Well it's planning and such. I dunno. I never thought ISTPs were much for thinking about things in detail and preparing like INTPs often do when they analyse things. Most Ps will just head straight in, but INTPs tend to make sure they are completely prepared for whatever it is.
    ISTPs need a plan of action even more than INTPs, they have a chart the course style(even though it may look like implusive action). What you said about INTPs being prepared is not completely true for all INTPs(I'm certainly not prepared ), it might be true for the ones you've encountered, but definitely not true for all INTPs. Do you know the difference between perceivers and judgers? Perceivers prefer extroverted perception on dealing with the external world and judgers prefer extroverted judgement on dealing with the external world.
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    we use J function as a first function, but J MBTI types come from using the J function extroverted. So yes we use J function alot, but using a J function doesent make you J type. its same with infp, istp and isfp. but unlike the ifp types we tend to express these traits of J function more readily since we dont usually(or as automatically) think about as much how others might feel about what we say.

    why the heck should people hurt their feelings if we point out some logical inconsistencies? it just doesent make any sense if you think it with logic, because its a good thing to notice that i am wrong, so that i can be right and get out of this illusion that i thought was right. but sometimes we tend to forget that others doesent work like this, and we blurt out logic that might make us look bit like TJ types. this doesent mean that we are close like J types, because the J type comes from using extroverted decision making function(Je), not from using or showing much of introverted decision making function(Ji).
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    Fair enough. The people I know who seem to be ISTPs (maybe they're F's then, though they seemed rather logically based) are lazy and casual and just go with whatever suits their fancy. But I guess most types can be lazy, and I'm sure a lot of them probably do plan more than I think. It's just if I am planning on going to do something I will run over all sorts of possible situations in my head and create ideas for how to react in each of them. They don't always work though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsherlockholmes View Post
    It's just if I am planning on going to do something I will run over all sorts of possible situations in my head and create ideas for how to react in each of them.
    i do the exact same thing
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