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    I posted this post in another thread and find myself always wondering about this issue.

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    ENTJ: To be in control
    This control comment always causes an internal loop of yes, no, why, but. Need to think about it more. Not so much denial but understanding the source, to validate or reject.
    I don't deny that ENTJs want control. But why do we?

    Add in that all Ts appear to have control issues whether it's control of themselves, control of their environments or control...period.

    Can anyone explain why Te/Ti reacts this way? What causes us to be this way? Pop psychology dictates that it's an element of insecurity. Is it really?

    Sorry for the textual diarrhea format.

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    Could you please explain what you mean by control? There's a huge difference between wanting control over oneself (self-discipline), over people (dictator), or over the environment (inventor). Either way, I doubt that there are too many insecure ENTJs and INTJs.
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    Perhaps?


    Ti - Self-control

    Te - over people

    Pe - over environment

    Perhaps it has to do with Feeling Functions and therefore predominates in those with either Inferior F or a weak Tertiary F.

    I, myself, want control but that kinda contradicts with my "lazy" outlook. Inferior Fe, perhaps creates my self-directional desires. Or perhaps it's really that T?

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    Te wants control over the environment, and people just happen to be a part of that, or rather an annoying, useless obstacle to many who use Te.

    I'd say Fe wants that same control though but focuses on controlling people for their own benefit.

    I'd say Fi and Ti yearn for control over their own actions, their own freedom and are allergic to being controlled, as they seek an absolute truth that is highly subjective



    As to the reason for a Te-dom to want control? I'd wager it's becoz it allows you to predict and counter what's coming your way. After all, life tosses you curveballs all the time and with strategic planning you can bend those curveballs to your advantage, allowing you to come out on top. It's about having a say what happens to you, what the future brings, as much as possible.

    Interestingly, the part of the definition of stress is the inability to predict the future, or the inability to do something about a future outcome you know is coming and you really rather avoid.
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    If you do not control things then they may not turn out as desired. There is a specific desire laid out and a small chance that things will randomly work out that way. Ergo it requires controlling.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Ti - Self-control
    Rings true for me.
    Ti>Ne>Si>Te>Fi>Ni>Se=Fe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    If you do not control things then they may not turn out as desired. There is a specific desire laid out and a small chance that things will randomly work out that way. Ergo it requires controlling.
    Yes, the T function and its two directions of expression are detached by nature. You see "how things need to work" to achieve the desired goal and so you need control to make that happen; otherwise, chaos and incoherence rules. There are different spheres of control that appeal to different types.

    Then again, F is a judging/decision-making function and can be controlling as well, just for different reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yes, the T function and its two directions of expression are detached by nature. You see "how things need to work" to achieve the desired goal and so you need control to make that happen; otherwise, chaos and incoherence rules. There are different spheres of control that appeal to different types.

    Then again, F is a judging/decision-making function and can be controlling as well, just for different reasons.
    Isn't that the oft rehashed controlling vs manipulative differentiation?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    Te wants control over the environment, and people just happen to be a part of that, or rather an annoying, useless obstacle to many who use Te.

    I'd say Fe wants that same control though but focuses on controlling people for their own benefit.

    I'd say Fi and Ti yearn for control over their own actions, their own freedom and are allergic to being controlled, as they seek an absolute truth that is highly subjective



    As to the reason for a Te-dom to want control? I'd wager it's becoz it allows you to predict and counter what's coming your way. After all, life tosses you curveballs all the time and with strategic planning you can bend those curveballs to your advantage, allowing you to come out on top. It's about having a say what happens to you, what the future brings, as much as possible.

    Interestingly, the part of the definition of stress is the inability to predict the future, or the inability to do something about a future outcome you know is coming and you really rather avoid.
    can you do the other functions??
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    ..eh..do? With regards to control or?
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