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    I tolerate stupidity, but I still notice and dislike it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I tolerate stupidity, but I still notice and dislike it.
    Same. I have an awful habit of trying to make really dumb people less dumb, only to be dissapointed when they continue to be dumb. Which is dumb in itself, but hey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsherlockholmes View Post
    Same. I have an awful habit of trying to make really dumb people less dumb, only to be dissapointed when they continue to be dumb. Which is dumb in itself, but hey!
    Yeah... I have problems with this as well.
    I have always wondered what it is that makes some people read and learn, while some people just sit out their lives watching brainless TV shows like The Simpsons.

    Some INTJ description, personalitypage or typelogic I think, says that INTJs build systems for learning.
    That's apparently how we are able to amass relevant information and integrate it into the big picture of things.

    What if some people don't have that, or just some really rudimentary form of it that makes the learning less fun?
    What if, to them, learning about science, history etc more resembles memorizing random numbers and facts not linked to anything?
    Memorizing information is vastly different from understanding the information, turning it into knowledge and integrating it into ones perception about how the world works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Yeah... I have problems with this as well.
    I have always wondered what it is that makes some people read and learn, while some people just sit out their lives watching brainless TV shows like The Simpsons.

    Some INTJ description, personalitypage or typelogic I think, says that INTJs build systems for learning.
    That's apparently how we are able to amass relevant information and integrate it into the big picture of things.

    What if some people don't have that, or just some really rudimentary form of it that makes the learning less fun?
    What if, to them, learning about science, history etc more resembles memorizing random numbers and facts not linked to anything?
    Memorizing information is vastly different from understanding the information, turning it into knowledge and integrating it into ones perception about how the world works.
    That sounds a little bit crazy and made me wet my pants
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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Yeah... I have problems with this as well.
    I have always wondered what it is that makes some people read and learn, while some people just sit out their lives watching brainless TV shows like The Simpsons.

    Some INTJ description, personalitypage or typelogic I think, says that INTJs build systems for learning.
    That's apparently how we are able to amass relevant information and integrate it into the big picture of things.

    What if some people don't have that, or just some really rudimentary form of it that makes the learning less fun?
    What if, to them, learning about science, history etc more resembles memorizing random numbers and facts not linked to anything?
    Memorizing information is vastly different from understanding the information, turning it into knowledge and integrating it into ones perception about how the world works.
    Yeah well that's basically most SPs. But it's not just memorising. Most don't like learning much at all. And yes, that's a generalisation.

    But us NTPs can be a bit like that sometimes. I HATE rote learning and dates in History and all that. When a subject isn't one of my main interests, learning it is not fun. This is why I am very ignorant on some things such as politics.

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    A person shouldn't be regarded solely as intelligent or unintelligent. A person is made up of many strong and weak points, good and bad points. Some people are scrutinized for being too smart, some people not smart enough, depending on the situation. In social situations, it's sometimes better to dumb down a bit whereas in professional situations, it's almost always better to be/appear smart. This has been said many times; there are different kinds of intelligence and the world needs all of those kinds. Just excellence in science isn't enough. Some people are better with books, others with people, others with objects ... It's rare to find someone intelligent in all aspects of life. Just because they are stupid or appear stupid in one situation doesn't mean they have nothing to offer or that they don't have a sense of humor or a sense of individuality or warmness. Qualities that are admirable and important. See beyond your idea of intelligent. If they are being blatantly stupid, just ignore it if you can. No need to ruffle your own feathers trying to change someone whose years/experiences made them stupid (about a specific something). Ignore, avoid, pick your battles as someone said. And try to see the good. I choose to ignore instead of wasting time and energy on people I can't change. What I said above may be too optimistic...just ignore if it's more trouble than it's worth. Stupid people with their stupid ideas exist. If you can't win something, change something, just step over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebe View Post
    A person shouldn't be regarded as intelligent or unintelligent. A person is made up of many strong and weak points, good and bad points. Some people are scrutinized for being too smart, some people not smart enough, depending on the situation. In social situations, it's sometimes better to dumb down a bit whereas in professional situations, it's almost always better to be/appear smart. This has been said many times; there are different kinds of intelligence and the world needs all of those kinds. Just excellence in science isn't enough. Some people are better with books, others with people, others with objects ... It's rare to find someone intelligent in all aspects of life. Just because they are stupid or appear stupid in one situation doesn't mean they have nothing to offer or that they don't have a sense of humor or a sense of individuality or warmness. Qualities that are admirable and important. See beyond your idea of intelligent. If they are being blatantly stupid, just ignore it if you can. No need to ruffle your own feathers trying to change someone whose years/experiences made them stupid (about a specific something). Ignore, avoid, pick your battles as someone said. And try to see the good. I choose to ignore instead of wasting time and energy on people I can't change.
    Yes, but you're an INFP.


    But seriously, these people I'm talking about are just astoundingly slow on the uptake. Doesn't even matter what you're talking about. I'm actually not that great at understanding people in practice (theory is different), yet when I was stuck in a situation with them, I was explaining to them the behaviour of people they knew but couldn't understand for some stupid reason. I kept having to point out lack of basic ideas and innovation in their thinking, huge holes in their logic, complete lack of knowledge about simple subjects etc. I think I can safely say they were not intelligent in almost any respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsherlockholmes View Post
    Yes, but you're an INFP.


    But seriously, these people I'm talking about are just astoundingly slow on the uptake. Doesn't even matter what you're talking about. I'm actually not that great at understanding people in practice (theory is different), yet when I was stuck in a situation with them, I was explaining to them the behaviour of people they knew but couldn't understand for some stupid reason. I kept having to point out lack of basic ideas and innovation in their thinking, huge holes in their logic, complete lack of knowledge about simple subjects etc. I think I can safely say they were not intelligent in almost any respect.
    Wouldnt intelligence mean too, to not put oneself or others into a boxed view of expectations ?

    I know a person, who has a reading insufficiency. He barely managed to survive school and has become a barber by now, even running his own shop. He is a very inspiring guy, when you talk to him and you can be a total stranger, he somehow always manages to talk to you about the things that intrest you and even gives valueable insights on things; sometimes even touches you with his words only someone could who would really know about a matter in detail.

    He has a huge group of fans who come to him for a haircut, because he makes people feel good.

    He's one of the most inspiring persons I've ever met in my life but on the same hand he should be, per definition of his education and the things he is able to understand, be one of the dumbest persons I've ever met in life, tho I would never have the idea to call him that.

    I think it's dangerous and unintelligent to box some people out on a single matter; if one's really good at said matter, one should more try to assume responsibility when needed for the people who have other strengths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    YOU are the who's different, don't fault everyone else because of it.
    Not certain why this would be meaningful. There appears to be an element of resentment buried in this statement.

    Don't really know how you overcome the "is an idiot" phrase. It's not always counterproductive since ascertaining incompetence helps to allocate resources in a professional environment.

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    I see where you're coming from, but seriously, these people have very few strengths. Not that I'd tell them that, but it's kinda true.

    I suppose if I were to give these 'unintelligent' sort of people 'strengths', I would say that they seem to make good company for each other. But that's about it.

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