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    Default ENTJ and steamrolling others?

    I noticed a common theme among the posts of another thread that all ENTJs are bossy and tend to steamroll others.

    ENTJ- Is this true in how you see yourself?

    Others- Is this how you see most of the ENTJ you know?

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    Yes, though not always the case, I think this is very common and I think it has a lot to do with that Ni/Te combination. The outside world is carefully divided into segments, like objects - then related to according to their own personal idealized value system. This value system then becomes imposed on those "objects." Cognitive functions aside, it's tough I think with this combination to appreciate boundaries and to know when to stop when it comes to giving people "advice" about what's good for them and sensing when the other person has had enough. My understanding of cognitive functions are somewhat limited, but this is what seems to be the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    I noticed a common theme among the posts of another thread that all ENTJs are bossy and tend to steamroll others.

    ENTJ- Is this true in how you see yourself?

    Others- Is this how you see most of the ENTJ you know?
    I guess a lot of other types must be weak and whiney then.

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    and No, I only steam roll when its absolutely necessary(although I've noticed that sometimes I unconsciously do it) It's not necessary on a forum. I honestly don't know why some ENTJ's on here do it. Waste of time.

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    I have the tendencies. I think it feels natural and good. But I try to hold back in social settings because it turns most people off and it's not the best tactics if you wanna get people on your team/side. It's a bit more acceptable in work settings, but even then people will get sour and not put in their best effort into the project. Which is the goal ultimately, so what I'm saying is that I only do it when it's the most efficient method. And when it's necessary.

    Also I've noticed I'll only boss people around and streamroll in matters where I care. My enthusiasm, energy and goal oriented mind can often take that shape.

    In other, and most cases I'll just let people do their thing. So it's really a sign of dedication

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salt n' pepper View Post
    I have the tendencies. I think it feels natural and good. But I try to hold back in social settings because it turns most people off and it's not the best tactics if you wanna get people on your team/side. It's a bit more acceptable in work settings, but even then people will get sour and not put in their best effort into the project. Which is the goal ultimately, so what I'm saying is that I only do it when it's the most efficient method. And when it's necessary.

    Also I've noticed I'll only boss people around and streamroll in matters where I care. My enthusiasm, energy and goal oriented mind can often take that shape.

    In other, and most cases I'll just let people do their thing. So it's really a sign of dedication

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    As long as you can watch from the sidelines, it's quite a sight really


    A colleague of mine, relatively new employee, is ENTJ and an utter joy to behold that way. He's highly competitive, which in a sales job is very much appreciated. He's the best we have. He beat me..who held the previous record before I was promoted. The job demands he's good with people, and he's very much extraverted so he likes working with people, but when I coached him, I also told him: 'hold on tiger, don't be too aggressive, coz that'll turn people off.' I instantly got an entire line of questionning on how to proceed properly, what was needed to conduct a productive sales pitch, what the objective was and how to get there. Te in action. Input data here, plz. I was in awe and laughing on the inside at the same time. He, OTOH chuckles at my make-shift Te when I try and lead a group and organize shit. He's already been promoted to Team Leader due to his competence and he's taken the advice I gave him in account. Though he's still borderline aggressive-assertive with people, he gets the best results due to his dedication and his sheer enthusiasm for the job, while still being very friendly with people, despite being assertive/aggressive. He's made a consistent effort to show empathy and understanding for people, while combining that with his drive to get to his goal: aka his bonus. It's a thing of beauty, his style. And soooo totally opposite me.

    And..funny thing, with his new Team Leader position, he needs to motivate and challenge his people as well. I observed him a day before we gave him the position, to see if he had it in him. That day, a younger female colleague was feeling down. I purposefully stepped aside and watched her push his protectiveness-button. And smiled. Giggled really at his innocent Fi. He came through perfectly. He consoled her, motivated her and instinctively took the time despite still wanting to score that day himself, to care for her.I knew then he'd always care for his people which would keep him from steamrolling them and still maintain that hunger for success which would hopefully rub off on his colleages in his team
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    Quote Originally Posted by You'reWrongI'mRight View Post


    and No, I only steam roll when its absolutely necessary(although I've noticed that sometimes I unconsciously do it) It's not necessary on a forum. I honestly don't know why some ENTJ's on here do it. Waste of time.

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    OK on a serious note now, I dont believe that ENTJs do stream roller people or behave bossy, I dont believe that at all, in fact I would go so far as to say the people most likely to do that are not even ENTJ but another type who are not best fit for the roll they find themselves in or feel threatened some how, whether its their ideas about their status vis-a-vis group dynamics or social hierarchies or their internal dialogue derailing themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    OK on a serious note now, I dont believe that ENTJs do stream roller people or behave bossy, I dont believe that at all, in fact I would go so far as to say the people most likely to do that are not even ENTJ but another type who are not best fit for the roll they find themselves in or feel threatened some how, whether its their ideas about their status vis-a-vis group dynamics or social hierarchies or their internal dialogue derailing themselves.
    I agree to some extent in that this is not the way entjs ARE. The same goes for when people say we're mean machines, I'll never understand that either. However I think that's different. Some people will think steamrolling is the best leadership style and some will prefer other methods. There are different leadership styles. Also I think it depends on the situation and task at hand what method they chose. Doesn't mean they are not entjs.

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