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    4 6.67%
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    8 13.33%
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    There should be a stupidity filter for certain posters and certain topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suttree View Post
    Shouldn't philosophers have studied the famous philosophies?
    One would hope/think it would help, but that is not necessarily the case.

    One can know the canon, but suck as a philosopher.

    One could not know the canon, but be a great philosopher.

    Quote Originally Posted by suttree View Post
    There seem to be quite a few activities that are being lumped together as philosophizing:

    1) Inspiring and guiding peoples journey towards meaning, mindfulness and fulfillment. This seems to be the use Zarasthustra et al seem to be defending. I would argue most writers, teachets, parents, friends, etc engage in this activity without the logical approach of philosophy and while philosophers have also engaged in this activity, the activity itself is not philosophy.
    I own a lecture series on this exact topic.

    The lecturer argues that academic philosophy has gotten away from the true purpose of philosophy, which you have clearly stated.

    I would say that the best philosophers are the people who have the greatest advice for the greatest number of people, in this regard.

    There are also those who have great advice for a limited audience; they are also great, in their own right.

    Quote Originally Posted by suttree View Post
    2) Attempting to construct systems of thought around an individuals goofy ideas. See Plato, Nietzche, Kant, Ayn Rand. You want arrogant and stubborn? See these guys. Fruitfull and useful? Not particularly.
    C'mon, dude.

    Reading Plato is excellent for one's development and thinking.

    Kant and Nietzsche can be as well (as long as one doesn't go off the deep end).

    Ayn Rand: well, she mostly sucks. Hers was basically a weak, sickly version of Nietzsche's philosophy, with a few changes. The one thing I will give her credit for is her critique of libertarianism, which, as a libertarian, I found compelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by suttree View Post
    3) Long winded arguments in reaction to previous long winded arguments. See the progression of analytic philosophy. This is the stuff of professorships. Useful? Every once in a while it may spin off a new discipline, as Z suggested. It keeps book publishers making money as undergrads buy stuff fpr class. And it maintains a long tradition fpr what thats worth.
    Agreed here.

    I prefer continental philosophy.

    I also think continental philosophy tends to be more aimed at fulfilling #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post

    C'mon, dude.

    Reading Plato is excellent for one's development and thinking.

    Kant and Nietzsche can be as well (as long as one doesn't go off the deep end).

    Ayn Rand: well, she mostly sucks. Hers was basically a weak, sickly version of Nietzsche's philosophy, with a few changes. The one thing I will give her credit for is her critique of libertarianism, which, as a libertarian, I found compelling.
    Granted.

    I take issue with making ridiculous claims in earnest. Like Plato's metaphysics. Or Kant claiming murder is preferable to masturbation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suttree View Post
    I take issue with making ridiculous claims in earnest.
    As do I.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    You're a dumbtard.

    NFs can be scientific geniuses, literary geniuses, philosophical geniuses, you name it.

    And, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!

    Read up on some stats regarding IQ and MBTI type correlation, there are plenty of NFs who are, in fact, geniuses.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
    Every types can be genius.

    But there's different varieties of genius.

    INTP: The Genius (the most classic example)
    ENTP: The Dynamic Genius (or even hysteric genius)
    INTJ: The Genius Who Takes Himself Seriously (very mad and dengerous genius)
    INFP: The Sensitive Genius
    ISTP: The Pragmatic Genius
    ENTJ: The Dynamic Genius who takes himself seriously (The Boss of the Genius)
    ENFP: The Dynamic and Sensitive Genius
    INFJ: The Sensitive Genius who takes himself seriously
    ESTP: The Dynamic and Pragmatic Genius
    ISFP: The Pragmatic ans Sensitive Genius
    ISTJ: The Pragmatic Genius who takes himself seriously
    ESTJ: The Pragmatic and Dynamic Genius who takes himself seriously
    ISFJ: The Pragmatic and Sensitive Genius who takes himself seriously
    ESFP: The Dynamic, Pragmatic and Sensitive Genius
    ENFJ: The Dynamic and Sensisitive Genius who takes himself seriously
    ESFJ: The Dynamic, Pragmatic and Sensitive Genius who takes himself seriously
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    E=60% S=55% T=70% P=80%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    There should be a stupidity filter for certain posters and certain topics.
    Where do your views diverge from mine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by suttree View Post
    I take issue with making ridiculous claims in earnest. Like Plato's metaphysics. Or Kant claiming murder is preferable to masturbation.
    I would like to see the passage in which Kant states that murder is preferable to masturbation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I would like to see the passage in which Kant states that murder is preferable to masturbation.


    I was thinking the same thing.

    I think he's just making a joke, Nico.

    I do find many of Kant's "moral examples" to be ridiculous, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I think he's just making a joke, Nico.
    I think I would have chosen another name had I known that at one point I would be called Nico.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I do find many of Kant's "moral examples" to be ridiculous, though.
    Me too. I am actually a non-cognitivist. But if you buy his premisses, it is hard to argue with Kant. Most people are consequentialists by nature; if it comes to torture, though, you will most likely have recourse to a deontological approach much like Kant's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suttree View Post
    Where do your views diverge from mine?
    I'm talking about the op and the whole idea of having a type more likely to become a "superintelligent genius".

    1.) Multiple threads have already been opened concerning a possible correlation between MBTI and IQ.

    2.) "Superintelligent genius" is an incomprehensible concept in itself since I support Gardner's theory of intelligence.

    3.) The fact that some types may or may not have bigger IQs does not mean that they're more likely to contain "geniuses". Even if we accept such largely oversimplified statements as, say, a) 'genius = 150 IQ +' at a sd. of 15, and b) the average IQ of an INTP is higher than the average IQ of an ESFP, we still don't know anything about the MBTI distribution of genius-range people. What if there are a lot more unintelligent ESFPs than unintelligent INTPs, but there are slightly more superintelligent ESFPs than superintelligent INTPs? Is this even measurable because of the small sample and ambiguous definitions? Will it ever be? Is there a meaning in this topic? I highly doubt it.

    4.) The opener is an angry nerd with delusional revenge fantasies and laughable 'theories', not to be trusted. I don't know what he wrote in the first posts since I have him on ignore, but I'm sure it's something very insightful.

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