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    It's easy for people to perceive us as close minded because we frequently don't explain our rationale for quickly dismissing an idea and it can seem like we did so too quickly to really appreciate the information. On top of this, we may dismiss information, even if it is true, if it isn't relevant to our goals (which also might not have been explained to whoever is offering up the info).

    If INTJs are close minded, it would probably be more in their choosing or dismissing of goals than their means of reaching them.

    I doubt we question/judge anyone as much as we do ourselves, and that requires an open mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I'd agree with that.
    You're a pretty reasonable guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    It's easy for people to perceive us as close minded because we frequently don't explain our rationale for quickly dismissing an idea and it can seem like we did so too quickly to really appreciate the information. On top of this, we may dismiss information, even if it is true, if it isn't relevant to our goals (which also might not have been explained to whoever is offering up the info).

    If INTJs are close minded, it would probably be more in their choosing or dismissing of goals than their means of reaching them.

    I doubt we question/judge anyone as much as we do ourselves, and that requires an open mind.
    Very true.

    Those are excellent depictions of NTJ open-mindedness and close-mindedness.

    I'd add that our goals are largely determined by our Fi values, and, as such, it's really our Ji function, more than anything, that is the source of our particular flavor of close-mindedness.

    Keep that in mind Ps.

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    Neither type strikes me as particularly closed-minded, but probably ENTJ, given that Te is what dismisses ideas out of hand and ENTJs are Te-dom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    These are all good points and are logical. I think though on average in most people's eyes though, the answer might be INTJ. INTJ will be perceived as less open minded because of Ni and introversion. INTJs can't be coerced or easily influenced. They are not demonstrative listeners naturally. The inner intuition driving their perspective is communicated to the world through Te. The ENTJ will appear to be engaging in much more of a dialogue with people and thus seem more open minded - even if in fact that is not the case.
    Yes, this is true. However there are the cases when INTJs listen and observe giving others the impression that they are thinking about what they are saying. Some would say that this would be considered more open. This would be left to perception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I personally thought it was pretty inaccurate to say Te, particularly dom Te, would be close-minded to try and complete its goal without thinking of other options.

    Te wants to accomplish an imperative, and will be open to whatever means best lead to that objective.

    That's actually a significant aspect of NTJ-style open-mindedness that often seems to be overlooked.

    Particularly by Ps.
    I wouldn't think so. Te looks at operations with simple logic of "which is more efficient" which is usually very easily deduced and clear. It's not going to be bothered by what ifs and rarely will choose a path that has an unclear outcome. This is what makes Te close-minded. It won't want to look at anything other than the clear obvious path of what logically seems correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I hate to do this, but:

    *Concentration Camp Pic*

    might have something to do with it. Humanity doesn't have a very good track record with simply discussing the negative aspects of a group.
    Godwin's Law evoked on the second page. That has to be some kind of record or something...
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    Imagine someone so open-minded that their brain falls out of their head.
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    If someone called me open-minded, I'd take it as an insult.

    Bullshit must be crushed; that means we can't be egalitarians when it comes to ideas. The following short statement makes my soul glow with rainbows and warm fuzzies.[YOUTUBE="6EEyk-iohLw"]STFU[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBowden View Post
    If someone called me open-minded, I'd take it as an insult.

    Bullshit must be crushed; that means we can't be egalitarians when it comes to ideas.
    *rests case*

    Although I do agree with this sentiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBowden View Post
    If someone called me open-minded, I'd take it as an insult.

    Bullshit must be crushed; that means we can't be egalitarians when it comes to ideas. The following short statement makes my soul glow with rainbows and warm fuzzies.[YOUTUBE="6EEyk-iohLw"]STFU[/YOUTUBE]
    This is why I love true ENTJs.

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    ^^^

    Word. Tell it to the guy who opened this thread cause it seems his mind closed down for good.

    Bahahahah
    Last edited by MoneyTick; 08-06-2010 at 03:23 AM. Reason: idk

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