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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Why do people struggle so much to know whether they are an introvert or an extrovert? I would have thought it was the easiest thing to determine of all.
    I struggle with this because I am XNTP. I am almost equal on the I/E - under different circumstances I naturally draw upon opposing functions. My N/S dichotomy on my original testing is the only one that is very clear ie no sensing.

    My quest for knowledge is not specifically or overtly directed towards self-improvement per se so much as the strong need to know more on topics that interest me.

    I would rather call it self-directed learning - but only on topics in which I am interested, give relevance to my tasks, or have need to master for one reason or another.

    I am a very fickle craftswoman tho - once I master a craft such as embroidery, heirloom crochet etc. I am no longer interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Self-improvement. Yup. Definitely unique to xNTPs.

    Why do people struggle so much to know whether they are an introvert or an extrovert? I would have thought it was the easiest thing to determine of all.
    Perhaps because not all introverts shy away from social interaction, while all extroverts aren't party animals? It can be difficult to know whether your energy comes from without or within, particularly if one is depressed.

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    I have come to except that Ne is just what I do. I think about connections and every possible, logical, way something comes out, but I can only figure out if something is logical after I have the thought and therefore my Ne takes first spot. I can see how it is possible to be extremely confused with your I/E (i.e. me, ha.), but the difference between being an Intp and Entp is only whether you think first, or have an idea first. This is of course the most basic sense of the meaning. If you can discern which you do. You don't simultaneously have a thought and think about that thought at the same time because until you have the idea technically you couldn't have been thinking about it because it didn't 'exist' yet.

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    Yeah, I am a one-woman self-improvement project. Always have been.
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    I admire that. It's a level of concentration that is hard for me to achieve at times.

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    I strive for self improvement constantly but at many times I will be too lazy to improve myself in the ways that I do not like and instead use the time to procrastinate by improving myself in the ways that I do like to improve.
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    Yep. I also try to master things I am interested in, or at least gain proficiency. I am also just as apt to shelve that interest for something else. And in true INTP fashion, I am also prone to procrastination, thinking about ways to improve instead of doing them or making notes of things to research but getting too distracted to actually getting around to do the research.

    I tend to be a harsh self-critic, though. I always seem to be berating myself for doing it wrong, being too stupid, wasting time, having to drop everything I've built up and start over, etc... Well if it's so easy then it isn't worth doing. :workout:

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    I'm sure there are numerous NTPs into self-improvement.

    Based on MBTI type descriptions and stereotypes, this is definitely a J tendency. If you compare each P profile with its corresponding J, you will see that the J description is more about "getting it done". The word "growth" is used in some of the J descriptions. Based on MBTI talk, self-improvement is not a defining feature of NTPs any more than other types, and it is correlated with certain other of the J types.

    This doesn't mean that Ps are not into self-improvement, but the stereotypical areas they choose will tend to be less recognized, and they tend to have a larger number of areas of interest while the J focuses on just a few to gain mastery.

    This is also an example of how basically any positive statement can be made and declared to relate to a specific type, and the there will be numerous people of that type who can relate. It might be worth an experiment of attempting random, general, positive correlations with any type and see what the responses look like.
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    While I may not be any sort of NT, I can relate too. I care a lot about self-improvement in many areas of my life.
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    donno about others, but if I look at the sucess, like something that you are very good at, a strong urge to build and create arises. It's great for motivation

    actually... that's not self improvement is it?
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