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    no

    the stipulations of a soul are too arbitrary. What creatures get a soul? what creatures don't? Some people say certain animals don't have souls. Does a soul then boil down to the creature's capacity for knowledge and intellectual ability? That is what it sounds like these people would be saying, which would mean that infants wouldn't have souls until a certain point. But then, when does a soul arrive? If it is always there, then it must reside in every creature, even in the most mindless insects, which clearly operate on a pre-programmed script to survive. Humans do the same thing at a different level. And that I think, is the only raisin the concept of a soul or spirit exists. Nothing justifies their existences, except the fuzzy idea that we could live on after our bodies die because we've already conjured up all these gods and cute divine prophecies so why not a ticket into an afterlife?

    There is a possibility, but there's also a possibility that some alien race has conceived something like our concept of a soul on a much higher intellectual level that we could never comprehend. Something like Cthulhu-Intellect. Where the gap between us and them like the gap between an insect and us now. entertaining ideas, useless to both the insect and us, though.

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    Souls. No. I will not believe until proven contrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty_Mountain_Rose View Post
    My opinion of the Soul is less about the entity itself, and more about the 'energy' of a person. Science says that no energy can be either created, nor destroyed. That energy 'lives on' somewhere. Now, whether that energy retains properties of what it was previously a part of, I don't know, but I would think that it could be possible.
    No, actually, energy and matter are equivalent, and one can be converted into the other, as in particle accelerators. This is the whole point of Einstein's famous equation: E= mc^2.

    As for souls, I believe there is something to the human being beyond the physical, something that might even continue after death. Whether to call this soul, or spirit, or something else -- to me, that is a matter of semantics. None of this can be proven, it is a genuine matter of belief, and I won't claim to "know" or even to imagine exactly what the nature of this soul/spirit/noncorporeal entity is. I do believe it exists, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    No, actually, energy and matter are equivalent, and one can be converted into the other, as in particle accelerators. This is the whole point of Einstein's famous equation: E= mc^2.

    As for souls, I believe there is something to the human being beyond the physical, something that might even continue after death. Whether to call this soul, or spirit, or something else -- to me, that is a matter of semantics. None of this can be proven, it is a genuine matter of belief, and I won't claim to "know" or even to imagine exactly what the nature of this soul/spirit/noncorporeal entity is. I do believe it exists, however.
    So, human beings are different than other animals? I'm curious what you're religion is...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VYCanisMajoris View Post
    So, human beings are different than other animals? I'm curious what you're religion is...?
    My comments did not address animals other than humans, and my religion is my own.

    (see http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ml#post1233548)

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    Without a doubt I believe in souls, god, spirits, etc. Enough said.
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    just want all of you NTs to know I've keeping tallies..
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    I do, I've had my doubts but I do believe in a soul and I actually believe its more feasible that we have souls and have an afterlife than it is that we will encounter a God like that of any of the great theistic religions after death. At least the more vulgar benigh old man of the skies sort.

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    Everything you care about, everything you love, you hate, you think, you fear, the things that make you YOU are an electrically charged hunk of meat. Or rather several hunks of electric meat that work in tandem.

    Corpus Callosum is a portion of the brain that connects the left and right hemispheres of brain. As part of treatment for a very severe form of epilepsy this bridge between left and right is partially or completely severed.

    Immediately after the surgery the patient notices no major difference aside from the fact that he isnt having a seizure every 5 minutes. Despite this apparent normalcy subtle changes are apparent.
    Things seen by the right eye are processed in the left hemisphere and vice versa(same goes for hand control). Consciousness as we know it exists in the left hemisphere. If you cover up the right eye on a split brain patient and show him a word he cant read it. However if you ask him to write it with his LEFT hand he will write down the word yet he still cant tell you what it is.
    Spatial perception is located in the right hemisphere. If you take a split brain and you ask him to draw a very basic recreation of an object like a cube with his left hand he will give you a decently accurate recreation of it however if you ask him to draw it with his right hand he will almost universally create a square with a triangle inside of it. Although I said that consciousness as we know it exists in the left hemisphere it appears that the left hemisphere has a mind entirely of its own. Infact it appears to be a completely
    separate, albeit mute, individual.
    Alien Hand Syndrome is a possible but rare side effect of split brain. The left hand(the one controlled by the right hemisphere) acts completely independent of the will(left hemisphere) of the man. Examples include placing items in the sufferers shopping cart, smacking a cigarette out of his mouth, and even complex tasks like unbuttoning clothing.
    It seems that when you split the connection between the hemispheres of the brain you cut his identity into two halves.

    The truth is every single thing that makes you up as a person is located in a section of the brain and can be cut out. A surgeon could cut away parts of your very identity. I could mute you forever by cut out the speech part of your brain, or cut out the part of your brain that processes symbols and thus deprive you forever of reading.

    Is there a soul? Well that would depend on what you described as a soul. A lutheran pastor once told me that after the apocalypse those who were resurrected in paradise would have no memories of their past life on imperfect earth and that the only thing connecting them to their past would be their souls.
    One has to wonder what point a soul serves given that definition, apparently Im going to be happy and live forever but everything that makes me who I am will be gone. I dont see the difference between that and dieing, infact damnation as an individual seems more appealing than salvation at the cost of my identity.

    If there is a soul, its an electric lump of meat in our skulls, and I imagine a good surgeon could cut it out.
    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh? wgah'nagl fhtagn

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    I consider everything and don't believe anything.

    About our souls, specifically ... if our thoughts are just some bio-logical systems activity, I doubt this activity can infringe the laws which shape the system .. in either case I can see an interesting ray of hope.

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