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    Default Ti-Si INTP comes off as ISTJ?

    I've read the Lenore Thompson thing (as well as anecdotes from forum members) about the INTP Ti-Si loop, or the neglect of Ne, and it struck me that an INTP in this state might come across as a fail of an ISTJ. By that I mean that they might give off ISTJ vibes, but have none of the positive characteristics of real ISTJs such as organizational skills, responsibility, discipline, punctuality, etc.

    Has anybody's experience with Ti-Si INTPs given them this impression?
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    It would probably be more like a fail of an ISFJ, both share Ti and Si.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robopop View Post
    It would probably be more like a fail of an ISFJ, both share Ti and Si.
    Yeah, the same functions are there with ISFJ. But in terms of appearance, I think that a Ti-Si INTP is going to seem (with their boring, pedantic, and strictly logical demeanor) more like an ISTJ than an ISFJ. Have you had experience with an ISFJ-seeming INTP, though? Or is your comment purely hypothetical? I imagine the latter is the case, since you used the term "probably," but I thought I'd ask to be sure.
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    I am pretty sure I do that sometimes. In particular, the focus on logical detail that comes out in that loop makes me look far more J than I am.

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    Logically planning with Ti imitates Te, only until you have to explain it to others. Te is much more efficient about explaining plans and I think that's what can get confused between J and P... planning usually requires looking at specific facts which looks like S... it's almost impossible to avoid situations such as this. And since it's almost impossible to avoid situations like this I think every type has a twinge of ISTJ in them, how well they use the specific functions is unique to each person.

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    So what we are talking about is what Myers-Briggs calls the shadow functions that Lenore Thomson calls loops I assume?

    There is as I understand in Myers-Briggs thinking a basis for what you described as that would explain an unhealthy personality or less developed auxiliary function. But this is not something that one with an healthy personality would exhibit.

    I would speculate that Myers-Briggs also implies we go there in stressed periods, but only if our auxiliary function lacks developement.

    So what is meant in the OP is Lenore Thomsons ideas on jungian cognitive functions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowriot View Post
    So what we are talking about is what Myers-Briggs calls the shadow functions that Lenore Thomson calls loops I assume?

    There is as I understand in Myers-Briggs thinking a basis for what you described as that would explain an unhealthy personality or less developed auxiliary function. But this is not something that one with an healthy personality would exhibit.

    I would speculate that Myers-Briggs also implies we go there in stressed periods, but only if our auxiliary function lacks developement.

    So what is meant in the OP is Lenore Thomsons ideas on jungian cognitive functions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I've read the Lenore Thompson thing (as well as anecdotes from forum members) about the INTP Ti-Si loop, or the neglect of Ne, and it struck me that an INTP in this state might come across as a fail of an ISTJ. By that I mean that they might give off ISTJ vibes, but have none of the positive characteristics of real ISTJs such as organizational skills, responsibility, discipline, punctuality, etc.

    Has anybody's experience with Ti-Si INTPs given them this impression?
    Yes. This can happen. I believe that I come off very ISTJ if I'm with a group of new people (or with 1 new person) and I don't feel comfortable using Ne with that person. There are a lot of people who find Ne to be a bit whacky and if I'm around people who I'm not super familiar with and who I know I can't really use Ne successfully with, then I just rely on Ti and Si.

    I've known people for months and never used much Ne around them. And then one day I'll do something or say something "out there" that is very Ne and they're shocked. One friend (ISFJ) even said something like, "You always seemed so stable (LOL), responsible (LOL), and like you weren't much of a risk taker. But, I'm finding out that you have an unstable, risk taking side to you." Yes, I suppose I do, but a lot of it is just Ne that she hadn't seen before.

    The other thing I would add is that when I do this, I don't think I make a "bad" (or failure) version of an ISTJ. I can pull it off quite well - and be very organized, responsible-seeming, non-risk taking, etc. I can do it successfully. I just find that it bores the living daylights out of me after about one week. I have to be able to "break the chains" and take some risks and talk about crazy stuff or drive to the airport on a whim on a Wednesday night and fly to Vegas with no planning whatsoever. Doing something spontaneous like that is not "irresponsible", as my ISFJ friend would have me believe. It's just not something she would do, therefore, she slaps a negative label on it. I just know that when I stay in ISTJ mode for extended periods of time, I start to feel very suffocated, frustrated, and bored to tears. I feel very "inside the box". I have to let Ne loose from time to time and it's like a huge breath of fresh air. The more "free" that Ne is to roam, the better I feel.
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    At first few meetings, I often can't tell ISTJ and INTP apart anyway. They're both pretty taciturn, both suspicious/disapproving (or seem it) about displays of enthusiasm or high spirits, both won't just "let go", both pedantic as hell... the similarities are more obvious than the differences, which you have to get to know them for quite a while to be able to actually observe.
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