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    ^That's a good way to put it. Especially the second to last sentence there.

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    If I 'doorslam' anyone out of my life, it's usually because I find them to be too ignorant for me to handle (close-mindedness also equals boringness) or they have proven themselves to be too hazardous to be with in any close relation. This has recently happened with an old friend of mine. She broke the trust I had with her, and that is something that can never be fixed.
    If someone's not interesting enough, I look on the bright side and try to find what is interesting about them. There's usually something interesting hidden behind shy exteriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamine View Post
    Ti Shutdown

    The shoulder shrug - pass off - walk by you without making eye contact - stranger treatment someone might receive from a Ti user once they have deemed that "socializing with you further does not make any practical sense, and should be ceased immediately to presume proper efficient activities."

    Thoughts?
    There's two(ish) reasons for such:

    Energy Conservation:
    Ti user not wanting to be bothered with speaking because they don't have the energy. That person most likely is a casual acquaintance to the Ti user and probably is someone who engages in small talk or idle conversation that takes effort on behalf of Ti user to engage on a consistent basis every time you see said person. This isn't personal. Just kind of a "leave me alone I don't feel like talking" hint but someone forcing conversation when Ti person is in this mode can lead to reason below:

    Social Overload:

    Person notices Ti users hesitance and tries to continuously force conversation or interactions. They don't get the hint or give space to the Ti user. So Ti user now actively *avoids* talking to this person even though they may be in a high energy state. This is sort of when it becomes personal.

    Social Walls:

    The conversation you had with Ti person was the extent of which they felt they had commonality with you and there's no reason in Ti person's mind to force a bond. Again. Nothing personal.
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    I was thinking about this today - in relation to two separate instances.

    First instance - there are two girls that I see in passing every single day. Basically, for the last several months I see these same two girls just about every single day during my break from work. For the first couple of months, it was a lot of "back and forth", being funny, semi-flirting, getting to know each other's personalities, blah, blah, blah. They are now my friends and they know it. But, now that I know quite a lot about them and the friendship is officially "established", I don't feel the need to engage them in conversation every day. Sometimes during my break, I would rather read the newspaper or sit peacefully, or maybe even talk to someone else. So, I'll walk into the room, see them in the corner and say, "hey guys!" and promptly pick up the newspaper and start reading an article. I've noticed lately that they seem sort of "offended" by this. They are both extroverts (which may or may not have anything to do with it - I think it probably does). I think they are getting this impression of me now - that I can be snobbish or give them the cold shoulder. They are my friends just as much now as they've always been. It's just that if I don't have anything in particular to talk about (or some new dialogue that we haven't had yet), I'm not going to just go through the same things we talked about yesterday just to make conversation. In my mind I'm not being rude, but I just think "Oh there they are. Hmmmm, what's in the paper today?" And then they seem to feel ignored. Basically, as the friendships have progressed, they are expecting MORE out of me, but I'm expecting LESS out of them. They're ALREADY my friends. We don't need to talk about silly introductory things anymore.

    Second instance - I have an ex (more of a friend these days) who I now live "farther away from" (as mentioned in the OP). We are still friends and we still maintain contact but, well, it's not that I don't "need" her as much anymore - it's just, "what would you like to talk about" kind of thing?

    That's another thing with NT's I think. The MORE we get to know people and the more we find out about them, there becomes less to find out about them. I'm very curious when I first meet someone. I want to know a lot about them (it's the "sx" variant, in my case). If I'm "not that interested", then it's just casual conversation. But, if I'm interested in the person or intrigued (not necessarily romantically, but just find them "interesting"), then I'm able to connect very deeply and form a very deep-rooted bond in a short period of time. It can happen very quickly with certain people (it's somewhat rare). But, after that initial stage, what else is there to talk about? Sure, we're friends and we will definitely have things to discuss, but, we don't really have to talk for hours. We can if you want, but it's not really necessary, because we've already discussed 95% of it. Most everything else is just silly stuff, like:

    "hey, it's a hot one out there today, eh? Think it'll ever cool down?"

    "Ummm, I don't know. How in the heck would I know? Do I look like a meteorologist?"

    Meh! I'd prefer to read the newspaper! It doesn't ask goofy questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    There's two(ish) reasons for such:

    Energy Conservation:
    Ti user not wanting to be bothered with speaking because they don't have the energy. That person most likely is a casual acquaintance to the Ti user and probably is someone who engages in small talk or idle conversation that takes effort on behalf of Ti user to engage on a consistent basis every time you see said person. This isn't personal. Just kind of a "leave me alone I don't feel like talking" hint but someone forcing conversation when Ti person is in this mode can lead to reason below:

    Social Overload:

    Person notices Ti users hesitance and tries to continuously force conversation or interactions. They don't get the hint or give space to the Ti user. So Ti user now actively *avoids* talking to this person even though they may be in a high energy state. This is sort of when it becomes personal.

    Social Walls:

    The conversation you had with Ti person was the extent of which they felt they had commonality with you and there's no reason in Ti person's mind to force a bond. Again. Nothing personal.

    Yes!!! Definitely this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    There's two(ish) reasons for such:

    Energy Conservation:
    Ti user not wanting to be bothered with speaking because they don't have the energy. That person most likely is a casual acquaintance to the Ti user and probably is someone who engages in small talk or idle conversation that takes effort on behalf of Ti user to engage on a consistent basis every time you see said person. This isn't personal. Just kind of a "leave me alone I don't feel like talking" hint but someone forcing conversation when Ti person is in this mode can lead to reason below:

    Social Overload:

    Person notices Ti users hesitance and tries to continuously force conversation or interactions. They don't get the hint or give space to the Ti user. So Ti user now actively *avoids* talking to this person even though they may be in a high energy state. This is sort of when it becomes personal.

    Social Walls:

    The conversation you had with Ti person was the extent of which they felt they had commonality with you and there's no reason in Ti person's mind to force a bond. Again. Nothing personal.
    These last two I agree with the most, but I see that all three exist within most of my friendships. Plus the whole if I have nothing to talk about I won't thing... INTPness brought it up.

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    At first I thought you were literally talking about some INTP you know walking by you without acknowledging you. I do this all the time without realizing it; I'm just really deep in my thoughts and oblivious and don't intend to snub anyone. But people have sworn I looked them right in the eye and ignored them, and I don't even recall having seen them.

    But your following posts gave the me the impression that you're talking more about someone who is shutting you out, spending less time with you, etc. In that case, I agree with MDP2525 and INTPness' posts, especially the point about energy conservation. I need to be in a certain mood to want to chit-chat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    "hey, it's a hot one out there today, eh? Think it'll ever cool down?"

    "Ummm, I don't know. How in the heck would I know? Do I look like a meteorologist?"

    Meh! I'd prefer to read the newspaper! It doesn't ask goofy questions.
    Absolutely. I despise this sort of questioning as well. It is rare that I cut off people I know well, and then only because of something extreme like dishonesty or betrayal. I will distance myself from more casual acquaintances if it becomes apparent that we have nothing to offer each other. More than passing contact would just be a waste of both our time, and it seems kinder in the end not to create any false pretenses.

    Ni does not take kindly to interruptions, either.

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    My Ti shutdown is never really physical. I will acknowledge someone's existence, and treat them courteously, but that's as far as I'll go.

    Whatever they say to me will go in one ear and out the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    My Ti shutdown is never really physical. I will acknowledge someone's existence, and treat them courteously, but that's as far as I'll go.

    Whatever they say to me will go in one ear and out the other.
    +1, definatly same for me. Even if you're a random stranger talking to me on the street, I will cut the conversation very short like give off a vibe I'm in a hurry or something like that or don't have the time for you. But even then I will wrap it up and not just act like you don't exist.
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