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    Il faut cultiver notre jardin.

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    I can see ENTP as the ultimate idealist because they don't seem to learn from the past, so they think everything is possible, like "anything could happen!" as opposed to "99.9 percent of the time, when you do this, that is the outcome, therefore I won't do this." It's like ENTP sees itself outside of the system completely, like it is some anomally that doesn't follow the rules of the rest of the known universe.

    What's cool is when they're right. :-) That's the part that hooks you.

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    I died a little inside when I saw this thread

    Mightier than the tread of marching armies is the power of an idea whose time has come

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I died a little inside when I saw this thread
    I would like you to know that, being an ENTP myself, I do not associate with this level of ego. I'm the ultimate idealist, all the other idealists are just imitating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmy View Post
    all the other idealists are just imitating.
    will the real idealist please stand up
    please stand up
    please stand up
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    ""cold, unfeeling cynical bastards""

    I'm none of those things, I'm not cold, unfeeling or cynical....

    I am however hard core T, not because I'm unfeeling more rational. Its unlikely to be see as cold because I'm a warm person on the whole. I can be hard faced at times, but most of all I make decisions using thought not feeling.

    I would say I am an idealist/optimist by nature.

    I don't think NT requires you to be unfeeling or devoid of feeling, just make decisions from a T perspective not an F. Sometimes it goes against the human grain and appears hard, but if it is done for the good of whatever it is then ultimately it is helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    will the real idealist please stand up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post

    But Jung said this is how we grow-by facing that internal conflict, we forge the two functions into something more, and we evolve. but it feels like doing math with handfuls of pudding.
    Yeah, totally, those things have to be faced. I just meant that, from my experience, if I could do it again, I wouldn't deliberately do anything to force the process. I think it's best to let it be a natural by-product of age and the passage of time, learning from the lessons of life. What I did was done quite deliberately and so I think it just sort of produced something in me that my experience of life etc wasn't yet equipped to handle. Does that make sense?

    but on topic. My older entps give their "Ti ideas" as an offering, a way of caring, for those in the social group they are a part of. It is their contribution.
    Yeah that's the spirit in which I threw out a few ideas here... I was quite taken aback by the way some people have misread things as egotism that were really, just throwing around, batting around a concept, taking it into a vacuum and running with it to see where it takes me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I can see ENTP as the ultimate idealist because they don't seem to learn from the past, so they think everything is possible, like "anything could happen!" as opposed to "99.9 percent of the time, when you do this, that is the outcome, therefore I won't do this." It's like ENTP sees itself outside of the system completely, like it is some anomally that doesn't follow the rules of the rest of the known universe.

    What's cool is when they're right. :-) That's the part that hooks you.
    I have to believe that the rules don't apply to me. Because the iron laws of existence feel unbearably oppressive. I want to create something new and different. In my heart I feel like I am going to live forever and that nothing can erase me. But, my head knows otherwise.

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