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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I think men and women have the capacity for understanding, or at least having a good grasp of just about anything.
    I think our understanding is limited by what we are capable of experiencing. No man will ever understand what it's like to be a woman, living in a woman's body, unless he does so. And vice versa. It would be great if we all could. Then these types of threads / misunderstandings wouldn't exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
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    Men are inherently unable to shed a certain layer of superficialism.

    This means that no matter what a deep thinker they are, or sweet, kind, or sensitive they appear, they cannot possibly comprehend the same dynamics that a female can.
    Yes I can see that sometimes but we are all sexual beings every now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConstantlyImagining View Post
    With all due respect this is a rather insensitive, cruel, and misandrial statement to make. Not all of us are like this and those of us who are not already have to put up with a lot of cruelty, the feeling of being misunderstood, the feeling of being unwanted or unappreciated and the feeling of being outcasted. Your are not omniscient,..............
    What just happened there?

    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    And women really can't comprehend the same dynamics a male can. Enough already.
    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    I think our understanding is limited by what we are capable of experiencing. No man will ever understand what it's like to be a woman, living in a woman's body, unless he does so. And vice versa. It would be great if we all could. Then these types of threads / misunderstandings wouldn't exist.


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    I totally agree miss Le Fay

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    Meh, I think the whole male/female dynamic is a bit overplayed. In all honesty, there have been tons of authors who have written characters (read: protagonists) which are the opposite gender they are. If there was really something all that compelling between the two sexes, then there would be a noticeable gap in how a man writes a woman, and how a woman writes a man. When an author is good, the differences are negligible or not noticeable at all.

    To be honest, most of the sex differences are just stereotypes particular to culture.
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    NT women are hardcore... I cant seem to get away from them lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConstantlyImagining View Post
    With all due respect this is a rather insensitive, cruel, and misandrial statement to make. Not all of us are like this
    Except that we are. And shes right. Just because you havent known yourself to be like that doesnt mean you arent. I surprise myself ALL the time with shit i am willing to think/do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Except that we are. And shes right. Just because you havent known yourself to be like that doesnt mean you arent. I surprise myself ALL the time with shit i am willing to think/do.
    I think both of you are wrong. You do not know me. You do not know what I think, what I feel, or the path I have chosen. I live my life according to values I violate under no conditions. I reflect on essentially everything and I am constantly reviewing everything I believe in. From a young age I saw social mores and superficiality to be just disgusting in many cases and made a choice to ensure that I analysed everything I could from as many perspectives as I could. You have not "seen" what I have. Many of the activities the other guys take part in as part of "male culture" I see as ridiculous and immoral. The sexual objectification of woman under no circumstance seems moral to me.

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    Life is not about finding yourself it is about creating yourself
    The above quote stipulates that we have the capacity to create who we are. How we understand the world is our choice and how we choose to act on that understanding is our choice. Just because most swallow everything like pill- not delving deeply into mostly anything- does not mean that all of us have chosen such a path. Perspective has a lot to do with it. Human sacrifice, slavery, et cetera are almost unanimously considered to be immoral today; they were not considered so in the societies they were prominent in. By shifting one's perspective to another time, to another place, through the eyes of different people and fields you can gain insight and realisations that lead to you develop visions and values that you can then choose to live by, one one ought to live by. If one's visions and values are so important to them the feeling of duty to follow them through and through is immensely powerful it is almost impossible for them to stray from it. Even all other feelings and thoughts can become subservient to those visions and values. If you have never felt that feeling to follow a vision of how you ought to be regardless of how difficult life may become then I feel sorry for you; but please do not think that no one else has never had that feeling and is willing to act on it
    The MBTI is a tool to help you on your self discovery. It nor any other the label can ever hope to describe you, because you are are unique and special, we all are. Any comments made regarding a group of people should be considered to be general and not ubiquitous; and no one should lose of sight of that. . Do not stereotype other people or yourself for that matter, but generalise if you must when a general example or pattern is required. And if you took the time to read this thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    I think our understanding is limited by what we are capable of experiencing. No man will ever understand what it's like to be a woman, living in a woman's body, unless he does so. And vice versa. It would be great if we all could.
    Ahem. *raises hand*

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    From experience I have to say, many women forget that this goes both ways... most women have some idea that being a man is all about having your way more often, better career prospects, all about doors opening to you. Let me tell you from experience, a LOT of doors shut to me when I transitioned, and the ones that opened, quite a lot of them are pretty scary to have to go through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConstantlyImagining View Post
    I think both of you are wrong. You do not know me. You do not know what I think, what I feel, or the path I have chosen. I live my life according to values I violate under no conditions. I reflect on essentially everything and I am constantly reviewing everything I believe in. From a young age I saw social mores and superficiality to be just disgusting in many cases and made a choice to ensure that I analysed everything I could from as many perspectives as I could. You have not "seen" what I have. Many of the activities the other guys take part in as part of "male culture" I see as ridiculous and immoral. The sexual objectification of woman under no circumstance seems moral to me.
    What I am telling you is that you shouldn't count your morals before they hatch. As an INFJ like me, I would assume you would have similar ways of processing data, and one thing I have seen many male INFJs notorious for myself included is going hardcore on the morals then dropping them a week later when new data was processed that made them irrelevant. May I ask you how old you are without you getting offended?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    Meh, I think the whole male/female dynamic is a bit overplayed. In all honesty, there have been tons of authors who have written characters (read: protagonists) which are the opposite gender they are. If there was really something all that compelling between the two sexes, then there would be a noticeable gap in how a man writes a woman, and how a woman writes a man. When an author is good, the differences are negligible or not noticeable at all.

    To be honest, most of the sex differences are just stereotypes particular to culture.
    There are, for the most part, an amazing amount of similarities between the male and female bodies; they are like semi-overlapping schematics, in the sense that a large portion of bodily functions are similar, but yet, those portions of the schematics that don't overlap, are extremely different and hard to phsyically comprehend by the other gender. So, writing a book in which the protagonist is a female and the author is a male, or vice versa, is not so complex because we have some understanding of one another even with our differences.

    Even so, those dramatic differences can be explained, and mentally categorized by some detached form of empathy, e.g.: I will never know what it feels like to have a child, or have a monthly cycle, or think in the way a woman does, but I can comprehend some, and dear god is that hard, of it by trying to relate. My tries won't ever be exact though, because they are from the perspective of a male and I am used to my own schematics.

    Of course, there are exceptions to this rule, transex individuals, etc., but they might go into their own category in this case. I don't know. So, my point is, any sex differences, some are overplayed because similarities are disregarded, are sex differences and culture just ruminates on them and distorts them to unecessary extremes. They are there though.

    Feel free to beat me with a ladle now. That is, if I offended anyone. I don't even know where I was going with this, I just felt like writing.
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