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    Wait, oops, someone already beat me to that. How about Eminem's alter-ego Slim Shady? Definite ENTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevrawlings View Post
    Wait, oops, someone already beat me to that. How about Eminem's alter-ego Slim Shady? Definite ENTP.
    How about Eminem?

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    And very good responses I've seen. I'm impressed, plus I can kinda relate a little.

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    My dad is one.

    Some of the posts so far describe him very well, some don't. There are a lot of "unhealthy" people out there, they are all different from each other, and the same is true when you look at those of a certain type. So I can talk about some of his troublesome behaviours and attitudes that might be related to type, but of course these will vary between unhealthy ENTPs.

    I see the following in him:

    1. Linking unrelated things together to come up with bizarre theories, then becoming intently focused on and stubborn about these theories

    Like this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    In the unhealthy ENTP, the Ne goes into overdrive making wild accusations and coming up with bizarre conspiracy theories, from the simple, such as "everyone hates me", to the more elaborate "9/11 was a hoax"... and then Ti helps out by rationalizing the data and trying to fit it to prove the theory.

    When yeu have both the capability of seeing things from a thousand different angles and can link many seemingly unrelated things together, and yeu have the ability to also rationalize data in a very streamlined way to make sense of the chaos yeur mind is coming up with, it can lead to... deep profound understandings... obvious errors...
    ...followed by this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    Being totally certain of truths, even if they are only opinions, and defending them with a passion until the other caves in.
    He has never met a conspiracy theory he didn't get into, at least temporarily, and he's invented quite a few of his own: McDonalds puts sedatives in their fries, so kids eat them, behave more calmly, and parents are encouraged by their settling down and come to McDonalds again. Tim Hortons (a huge coffee and donut chain here in Canada) puts addictive drugs in their coffee, causing people to prefer it to other coffee. Serif fonts are usually used in print so that books are harder to read and poor people are discouraged from getting an education, causing them to remain poor. Doctors are completely full of shit, and health problems should be dealt with through herbs, diet, homeopathy and t'ai chi. He's pretty much intractable on all of these ideas.


    2. Need for validation of his ideas or admiration of his intelligence and insight

    This is heavily tied to his theories and ideas. He frequently preaches and pushes them, trying to get people to agree with him and admire him. I hate being around him when he gets like this. I get the sense that all he wants me there for is to sit at his feet and nod. I'm supposed to be his own personal bobblehead doll. A blank wall, for him to project himself onto. When I was younger, I just believed him, and he'd be happy with me and tell me how smart I was, how I "got it". Then when I got older and began to develop my own capacity for critical thinking things started to feel very wrong between us.

    3. Jumping from one idea/plan to the other, not sticking with anything

    Tamske and Tesla touched on this. He gets really excited, convinced against all reason that he's going to really change his life this time or even make a major impact on society, then things don't go as planned and he abandons it completely. Usually he blames someone else or society in general. Sometimes he gets depressed and cynical for awhile, and eventually he comes up with something else and gets just as enthused about that.

    This description of Compensatory Narcissism fits him pretty well (I think it's been posted on this board recently about another alleged ENTP).

    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Onemoretime posted a thread a while back that contained a video of an ENTP man who was very psychologically unhealthy. ..

    It was just this very bad loop of Ne never being able to make a decision because it sees too many options and Fe wanting to find a path that would lead to optimized external validation, then inferior Si causing an apprehension that every one of his pursuits would end in the same way.

    The greatest cause for this particular man's psychological unhealthiness was his inability to develop his auxiliary function, Ti, before moving on to Fe...
    I didn't catch that thread. I think for my dad it goes something like this: he comes up with his theory or idea, and instead of evaluating it logically (Ti) he feels compelled to push for others' attention, admiration and approval (Fe) to affirm their value.

    I don't talk to him much anymore; he drains me. It's too bad because we could have great discussions when he wasn't giving me this kind of nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blairvoyant View Post
    They say things like "No, that's not a good idea."
    What? Is that possible? Does a pessimistic Ne exist? A malfunctioning one?
    Either they are really mentally ill, or they aren't ENTPs...

    Quote Originally Posted by blankpages View Post
    My dad is one.
    I'm sorry to hear that.

    1. Linking unrelated things together to come up with bizarre theories, then becoming intently focused on and stubborn about these theories
    He has never met a conspiracy theory he didn't get into, at least temporarily, and he's invented quite a few of his own: McDonalds puts sedatives in their fries, so kids eat them, behave more calmly, and parents are encouraged by their settling down and come to McDonalds again. Tim Hortons (a huge coffee and donut chain here in Canada) puts addictive drugs in their coffee, causing people to prefer it to other coffee. Serif fonts are usually used in print so that books are harder to read and poor people are discouraged from getting an education, causing them to remain poor. Doctors are completely full of shit, and health problems should be dealt with through herbs, diet, homeopathy and t'ai chi. He's pretty much intractable on all of these ideas.
    Oh my. This sounds exactly like M.P., a more or less harmless madman who roams the university cities in Belgium. He's convinced every link is a message. (eg. the moon landing is fake because it's linked to Santa Claus who is fake too - don't ask me to explain the link). He distributes "proofs" that Pi² = g (the gravitational acceleration) and that rockets can't leave the athmosphere. I used to collect them and use them in my physics lessons If he distributes nonsense, it's my right to disprove his theses in class.

    This description of Compensatory Narcissism fits him pretty well (I think it's been posted on this board recently about another alleged ENTP).
    I didn't catch that thread. I think for my dad it goes something like this: he comes up with his theory or idea, and instead of evaluating it logically (Ti) he feels compelled to push for others' attention, admiration and approval (Fe) to affirm their value.
    This sounds like a former co-worker of mine. We are almost (well we're physicists not psychologists) sure he's narcistic and I'm almost sure he's an ENTP too. What's this with narcistic ENTPs? Do unhealthy ENTPs generally tend to be narcistic rather than have other mental problems?

    I'm thinking the answer is yes on this one... See eg. Anzeroffs post in the unhealthy ESFPs thread (http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...tml#post625806) Negative Ne... check.
    Unchecked by Ti... check.
    Negative Fe... check.
    Immature Si... don't know how that would look like. Remembering everything as if you're the victim of conspirations and jealousy?
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    Fuck Si.

    All I have to say :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post

    Oh my. This sounds exactly like M.P., a more or less harmless madman who roams the university cities in Belgium. He's convinced every link is a message. (eg. the moon landing is fake because it's linked to Santa Claus who is fake too - don't ask me to explain the link). He distributes "proofs" that Pi² = g (the gravitational acceleration) and that rockets can't leave the athmosphere. I used to collect them and use them in my physics lessons If he distributes nonsense, it's my right to disprove his theses in class.
    Wow. Well, my dad doesn't go that out there, or write mathematical proofs. (Often he considers it proof enough that no one can prove him wrong). Those sound like some fun classes though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    This sounds like a former co-worker of mine. We are almost (well we're physicists not psychologists) sure he's narcistic and I'm almost sure he's an ENTP too. What's this with narcistic ENTPs? Do unhealthy ENTPs generally tend to be narcistic rather than have other mental problems?
    Well, the link I posted above links this to the "inventive personality type", sounds ENTP-ish to me.

    I think there's a lot of different kinds of narcissism though. I've looked at some descriptions of narcissistic parents, and they often sound quite different from my father. People describe fathers who were extremely controlling and critical and obsessed with their children doing everything "right". Mothers who were constantly pointing out their sacrifices, making children feel guilty, insisting children should take care of them emotionally. My dad wasn't like that. So I think different types can be narcissistic, but it can look quite different.

    For my dad, it was more about, Look how clever I am! Look at my ideas! Get excited about it and admire it! And that's something I'd expect to find more of in ENTPs.

    Of course, the severity of the narcissism also matters. Some of these other parents sound so deluded about themselves, completely convinced they are perfect and everyone else is the problem, no moments of clarity at all. My father does seem to have moments where I see some holes in this self-image he's created, when he seems to realize his own behaviour causes problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    Negative Ne... check.
    Unchecked by Ti... check.
    Negative Fe... check.
    Immature Si... don't know how that would look like. Remembering everything as if you're the victim of conspirations and jealousy?
    That does sound like him. He does often insist his interpersonal problems are a result of people feeling "threatened" by him and deliberately trying to get rid of him. I'm not sure if that's Si though. I don't think everything can be explained by these functions, though plenty can.

    Lenore Thomson exegesis wiki says this:

    Where Si occupies the inferior position (as it does for those with dominant Ne), it is strongly tainted with unconscious contents. In these cases, Si may manifest as negative/malevolent images of eternal tendencies in people and situations that will not change. Such tendencies may well be present, but inferior Si sees the part as the whole. Inferior Si is also linked to feelings of nostalgia, overwhelmingly vivid internal imagery and a selective recall of facts and memories that are highly emotionally charged.
    I see the bolded parts in him. I'm not sure about the rest.

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